Yet another v8 swap

[dulcimerbob]

Found this

The 1977 F150 oil pan looks more likely to fit than the 1990 version.

1977:

1990:

Is this a stock pan ?

 

[LILCBRA]

Found this

Is this a stock pan ?

It looks a lot like one. If you have it in your possession I'd say look at the bottom of the sump and see if you can confirm the part number.

 

[welder4956]

Found this

Is this a stock pan ?

Looks just like mine, but with a few more dents:

 

[dulcimerbob]

Looks just like mine, but with a few more dents:

I don't have it . I asked the seller for the OEM number and have not heard back . Thanks for all your help and the list is a good idea .

 

[dulcimerbob]

I don't have it . I asked the seller for the OEM number and have not heard back . Thanks for all your help and the list is a good idea .

Seller never replied .

 

[extra_stout]

If you swap your steering rack to a fox steering rack (aluminium housing and sport ratio) you will have enough clearance from my experience with a "normal" 302 front sump pan. If it's still to close you can shim the engine mount just slightly.
Why do i know, i put a 5.0 HO in my car when it had the original steering and build own engine mounts. afterwarts i swaped to the fox steering and now i have a lot of space...

 

[dulcimerbob]

If you swap your steering rack to a fox steering rack (aluminium housing and sport ratio) you will have enough clearance from my experience with a "normal" 302 front sump pan. If it's still to close you can shim the engine mount just slightly.
Why do i know, i put a 5.0 HO in my car when it had the original steering and build own engine mounts. afterwarts i swaped to the fox steering and now i have a lot of space...

Thanks for the advice. I am using stock v8 motor mounts if it makes any difference. What do I need to get for the fox swap ?

 

[dulcimerbob]

Thanks for the advice. I am using stock v8 motor mounts if it makes any difference. What do I need to get for the fox swap ?

Any pics or info on the swap ?

 

[extra_stout]

You need offset bushing like this ones:

High Impact Mustang II Offset Steering Rack Bushing Set Component Bolt-On Style

HEXB3: High Impact Mustang II Offset Steering Rack Bushing Set under part number HEXB3. High Impact Mustang II Offset Steering Rack Bushing SetOur steering ra

www.johnnylawmotors.com

Beside that you need a steering rack. Should be one piece aluminium housing and a 2.5 turn lock to lock; on my quick search I just found this with 3 turns...

More Information for TERREPOWER N1010107

Beside that you should be able to use your old pump or buy a aftermarket one.

Because I build my own steering hoses with AN-fittings and fitted an european power steering pump, I can't give full advice about steering hoses.

But there also complete kits out there like this one:

https://www.speedwaymotors.com/Speedway-Mustang-II-Power-Steering-Conversion-Kit,478136.html

In my build threat there should be pics about the steering rack etc.

 

[dulcimerbob]

You need offset bushing like this ones:

High Impact Mustang II Offset Steering Rack Bushing Set Component Bolt-On Style

HEXB3: High Impact Mustang II Offset Steering Rack Bushing Set under part number HEXB3. High Impact Mustang II Offset Steering Rack Bushing SetOur steering ra

www.johnnylawmotors.com

Beside that you need a steering rack. Should be one piece aluminium housing and a 2.5 turn lock to lock; on my quick search I just found this with 3 turns...

More Information for TERREPOWER N1010107

Beside that you should be able to use your old pump or buy a aftermarket one.

Because I build my own steering hoses with AN-fittings and fitted an european power steering pump, I can't give full advice about steering hoses.

But there also complete kits out there like this one:

https://www.speedwaymotors.com/Speedway-Mustang-II-Power-Steering-Conversion-Kit,478136.html

In my build threat there should be pics about the steering rack etc.

Thanks for the info .

 

[dulcimerbob]

I am a little confused about the timing / front cover . What should I use on my 90 302 ? I had the serpentine system.

 

[LILCBRA]

I'm not sure if you'll be able to keep the oil dipstick in the side of the block, but it should be the one on the engine if you're staying with the serpentine system and the water pump that's on the engine. If you swap to a standard rotation pump like was on the II to begin with, you'll want an earlier timing cover to match. Here's an interchange article from Hot Rod if it helps....

Pit Stop: Ford Small-Block V8 Front Cover and Water Pump Interchange

What fits what: The scoop on mixing and matching small-block Ford water standard- and reverse-rotation pumps and front timing covers.

www.hotrod.com

 

[welder4956]

I have a 1995 roller cam motor that came with the driver side dipstick. I used an early front cover like this one to avoid interference with the headers: https://www.amazon.com/tycardor-HT-...otive&sprefix=d7ae6059a,automotive,150&sr=1-2

Be sure to plug the side hole if you use the early front cover. It just needs a small cupped press in plug. I think I used a 1/2" plug from NAPA, but not certain.

 

[welder4956]

Sorry, it is a 3/8" plug. Let me know if you need one. I had to buy a pack of 10 to get it so I have 9 left over.

Edit: Link to NAPA 3/8" steel expansion plug - https://www.napaonline.com/en/p/NOE555115

 

[dulcimerbob]

Thanks for the replies .

 

[dulcimerbob]

I have a 1995 roller cam motor that came with the driver side dipstick. I used an early front cover like this one to avoid interference with the headers: https://www.amazon.com/tycardor-HT-D4OE6059A-Compatible-1979-1995/dp/B0CXXFGL2S/ref=sr_1_2?crid=6RIC5QU27E2A&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.yEzQ3mSxG7opy12ehVQkW-GGByN_1s-eWUaVpLInTHYnYZv3XmF5WSYd4HL3NriDYdnMd-rztk-wg49nLdpsPzGi6NXbgpNpCTAo9sn7eqPwedNRjaDvusO81a_yObSq2A2FE3MZ8G_7BFdfSEzx4HsrPV_iDeyg9qhm8fvNj361iBg1_kJoyQd0BI24A-GLUQYo2UOJyh7bSaIaniWALTSJ80rZYHZH0-3qRNnJYdOiuG8hm_VjK22JZv9iB825xP9KLSnKNEI3ybmHKQnxnCiBW0WA2nnGmGuuOj5tNOM.aWiV1NWLI9grcqaomEW9RB-c8FKWyX11zIw0wryV2yY&dib_tag=se&keywords=D7AE6059A&qid=1793021798&s=automotive&sprefix=d7ae6059a,automotive,150&sr=1-2

Be sure to plug the side hole if you use the early front cover. It just needs a small cupped press in plug. I think I used a 1/2" plug from NAPA, but not certain.

What water pump and pulley system did you use ? Thanks

 

[welder4956]

What water pump and pulley system did you use ? Thanks

I used the original Mustang II water pump and pulleys. You should be fine with whatever is already on the motor you are swapping in. Just use the matching water pump. Serpentine pulleys have a reverse rotation water pump.

 

[dulcimerbob]

I used the original Mustang II water pump and pulleys. You should be fine with whatever is already on the motor you are swapping in. Just use the matching water pump. Serpentine pulleys have a reverse rotation water pump.

v8 2 pump and pulleys ? The 90 302 pump looks long .

 

[welder4956]

v8 2 pump and pulleys ? The 90 302 pump looks long .

Yes. The longer water pump may be for a truck. I think you can get a shorter water pump, but may have to use different pulleys. Probably can find them in a salvage yard pretty cheap.

I'll measure mine tomorrow and let you know how far it sticks out from the timing cover.

 

[dulcimerbob]

Yes. The longer water pump may be for a truck. I think you can get a shorter water pump, but may have to use different pulleys. Probably can find them in a salvage yard pretty cheap.

Changing gears , I can get a pair of stock mm2v8 exhaust for 250 on ebay or I can get a matched pair of 66 Mustang manifolds for 100.00 . Will the stockers be worth the extra money for ease of fitment or are the 66 not that much hassle ? Thanks