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OK Mike I looked over the log and made a few changes to get the AFR closer to target. I pulled the timing in boost all the way down to 10* we are now pulling more than 2* per psi.....

we may need to look into using a different timing light on the thing, try and see if there is any timing drift with RPM....
 

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I know a guy with cylinder heads and a willingness to provide LS parts to stangnet members
 
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Yeah,.....that would only go as far as checking the bore spacing to find out that the 250 is not the same as a 300.

That will never happen for the sake of the turbo.
And the 250 was always intended to have one.
Hence the catch 22 paradigm.



There's a guy on the F.E.P forums that haunts the 6 cylinder forums from New Zealand that is an absolute encyclopedia when it comes to this engine and whether or not anybody is using the head w/ a turbo. He's also an engineer of some kind.
I'm gonna float out a similar thread to this last update there and see if he can shed some light on whether or not I'll ever be able to tune the detonation away, or whether or not it's the chamber design causing it.
He'll also be able to give me an idea of how much power I'll be looking at N/A if I remove the turbo altogether, so I'm gonna go over there now, and throw this lure in the water.
 
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Do you remember my post on octane boost? You may decide to revisit it just for the sake of having a "Plan B" for special occasions when you really want to run higher boost.
 
I'm thinking that before any talk of ditching this or that, a fully documented trip to a professional tuner might be in order.

Now, I've been to tuners that read the steps off of a set of cards no doubt, but I've also been to tuners that knew how to diagnose and apply effective changes. You got any of those near you Mike?
 

Yeah,...trust me,...I've felt boost now. The turbo will be in the plan for as long as I can keep it. Originally, I planned to go with a guy the works w/ my turbo supplier, but he was always too busy when it came time to get this thing up and running. He was gonna charge like 500-600.00 and actually come over to my house to get a initial start up map going so I could start the thing. with the rest of the time spent on the dyno.

Didn't happen.

When I got it started, then the whole head gasket fiasco w/ the leaking copper HG ensued, after that he was never reachable,...too much hassle.

I got it running myself.

Now,...we're here. Today is Vid #2 day,..but the camera is gonna be on the roof pointing forward. I'll dump Steve's revised tune into the car and we'll all go for a drive again. (I got the only fairmont that'll comfortably seat 12).

I looked at my datalog. When I stepped on the car yesterday and opened the throttle progressively albeit alot quicker, the thing showed me almost 11 p.s.i. at less than half throttle. When it peaked, the AFR was big fat at 10.8, the timing was at 17.1, the MAT was mega cool at 72.9 degrees......There is no reason this btch should be detonating, unless it needs more octane than what I'm currently feeding it at 93 octane.

I'm gonna go down to the turbo supplier today, and see what he thinks. Like right now, as it's pretty cold this morning, and I'm gonna wait till after noon for the test drive.
 
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Fwiw I can see the detonation in the datalog. It comes in as a transient in the afr. However without the car in front of me it is difficult to troubleshoot issues.
I just talked to Reed at Work turbo where I got my turbo from.

Said its two things,....both in the tune.

(Well, 4 things actually)

# 1. Nobody is gonna be able to cyber tune a car safely ( as you have already stated Steve)
# 2. Given that the timing that my light is showing is accurate, the transition from N/A to boost may need to be more lead-in as opposed to going from 39 degrees at 90 kpa, and jumping straight to 18 at 100.
#3. The fuel transition is more than likely the problem. Similar to acceleration enrichment, there isn't enough fuel through the transition to properly feed the engine.
#4.

He thinks (for today) I should remove the line that goes to the dome so that pressure can escape to atmosphere ( just in case it isn't) otherwise, there's trapped air on top of the diaphragm that won't let the spring open at 5 p.s.i. He said that a crappy chamber like mine has will not be a factor that tuning can't deal with,..so yea.

He wants me to get back in touch with the tuner guy that was always too busy to talk to me back when I had the money. Now,that 500.00 for the dyno tune is probably gonna have to come outta my ass, cause I sure don't know where else I'm gonna get it from.
He did say one other thing:
He thinks that the power the car will make will surprise me, even limited to 10 p.s.i.. And he knows I'm only expecting 300-400.

Getting mikes mini washed at a car wash right now, as we are still restricted from water usage at the residence due to the drought. When that's done, I'll get what remains of my hair cut,...then eat, and remove those two lines from the wg's and see if this damn thing will stay at 5p.s.i.
 
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Another reason to like Reed. Bought my turbos from him as well. Those guys are awesome, and that kind of customer support is rare considering it doesn't have to do with the turbo
 
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