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CarMichael Angelo

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Well................just learned something new on an iPad. Holding any text button longer than a normal strike, gives you a different character choice. Can't say it makes any sense...i.e. holding down the ./? key puts a quotation mark there...( you'd think it'd be the question mark ) All of these devices go so far beyond what 95% of the users want out of them because they pack all of this junk in there and then charge stupid money for it.

They need to make an COPO Camaro version of one of these things...allow you to choose what you want/need and nothing that you don't. and then sell it like a factory ordered radio delete hotrod. No pwr anything, no AC, manual steering, nothin else.... Just a big honkin engine, 4 speed trans, and a 4.11 posi-trac loaded 12 bolt. I'd have a stripper iPad,..no keys with two functions, or 50 bagillion icons that you never use just a big, fast processor, connection capabilities for wifi, Bluetooth, and cellular, and the stinkin ability to load actual computer programs in it... I'd be Da Done Dah

Finished the water meth install last night. I did move the nozzle to the elbow in front of the throttle body, and that required that I make a thread reducer. ( nozzle is 1/8 npt, hole in the elbow is 1/4 npt) I made the thing out of another brass fitting that I had to cut, drill, tap and grind to make work. It took about an hour all toll. The good thing about doing that instead of just going to the parts store and buying a reducer premade is that this thing is now just thick enough to hold the nozzle, and allows the tip to protrude into the elbow instead of it 1/4" too high, which would've possibly diminished the spray pattern.
Now all I gotta do is test the thing to be sure that it works, and put the nozzle back in the elbow permanently.

The intercooler is still hanging under the fender.

The whole rest of the car is a jug phck. The dash is partly tore apart, the passenger seat is out of it, and there is the typical wiring mess that has to be cleaned up before I can even consider taking it out and testing it.

And.................. There's the whole " changing the tune thingy" I gotta do too.

I decided to let the MS activate the system. I've ran a wire to the last remaining spare output I have, and set it up in TS. I thought that I was gonna be able to set multiple conditions to control its activation, but could only set two.
I chose a MAP based condition ( > 145 kpa) which in my case means greater than 6.8 psi of boost, and TPS, (>85%). So, if it works like its sposed to, nothing will happen if both of those conditions aren't met. I set no hysteris buffers either..it activates only when the throttle is at least 85% open, and boost is greater than 6.8 pounds.

At least that's what I think I've done.

I still have to lean out the same portions of the fuel map, and add timing back to the spark map to take advantage of what I've done here. I'm currently about 11.8 AFR at 6.8 psi, and it gets progressively fatter as the boost numbers go north of that, eventually ending up at 11.3.
I think I'm gonna paint that whole section, and make a blanket .75 of a point bump to those numbers to start.
That should leave the high boost numbers seeing just north of 12:1 AFR.
And I resume listening for the rattle.

Timing,.......To melt, or not to melt.....ill start with +2 degrees. I think from what I've read, this is where power is gonna come back. Currently I'm a 16 degrees at 11 psi....

Can you say "a 500 horsepower 6 banger?" Especially considering that this engine made 99 whole whopping ponies when it was factory fresh in the '78 Maverick that I drug this engine out of?

Of course you can....it's easy.....It sounds just like...........

BooM!


But,...today is the Sunday, on the week after Thanksgiving.

The wife gets all "Christmassy" at these times...and this year want an 8-10 tall real tree. ( yeah,...I know,..10 feet tall). The new house has skylights right in the middle of it, and she figures she's gonna stick that thing right there..


I only think I'm gonna work on the car today.
 
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madmike1157 said:
Well................just learned something new on an iPad. Holding any text button longer than a normal strike, gives you a different character choice. Can't say it makes any sense...i.e. holding down the ./? key puts a quotation mark there...( you'd think it'd be the question mark ) All of these devices go so far beyond what 95% of the users want out of them because they pack all of this junk in there and then charge money for it.

They need to make an COPO Camaro version of one of these things...allow you to choose what you want/need and nothing that you don't. and then sell it like a factory ordered radio delete hotrod. No pwr anything, no AC, manual steering, nothin.... Just a big honkin engine, 4 speed trans, and a 4.11 posi-trac loaded 12 bolt.

Finished the water meth install last night. I did move the nozzle to the elbow in front of the throttle body, and that required that I make a thread reducer. ( nozzle is 1/8 npt, hole in the elbow is 1/4 npt) I made the thing out of another brass fitting that I had to cut, drill, tap and grind to make work. It took about an hour all toll. The good thing about doing that instead of just going to the parts store and buying a reducer premade is that this thing is now just thick enough to hold the nozzle, and allows the tip to protrude into the elbow instead of it 1/4" too high, which would've possibly diminished the spray pattern.
Now all I gotta do is test the thing to be sure that it works, and put the nozzle back in the elbow permanently.

The intercooler is still hanging under the fender.

The whole rest of the car is a jug phck. The dash is partly tore apart, the passenger seat is out of it, and there is the typical wiring mess that has to be cleaned up before I can even consider taking it out and testing it.

And.................. There's the whole " changing the tune thingy" I gotta do too.

I decided to let the MS activate the system. I've ran a wire to the last remaining spare output I have, and set it up in TS. I thought that I was gonna be able to set multiple conditions to control its activation, but could only set two.
I chose a MAP based condition ( > 145 kpa) which in my case means greater than 6.8 psi of boost, and TPS, (>85%). So, if it works like its sposed to, nothing will happen if both of those conditions aren't met. I set no hysteris buffers either..it activates only when the throttle is at least 85% open, and boost is greater than 6.8 pounds.

At least that's what I think I've done.

I still have to lean out the same portions of the fuel map, and add timing back to the spark map to take advantage of what I've done here. I'm currently about 11.8 AFR at 6.8 psi, and it gets progressively fatter as the boost numbers go north of that, eventually ending up at 11.3.
I think I'm gonna paint that whole section, and make a blanket .75 of a point bump to those numbers to start.
That should leave the high boost numbers seeing just north of 12:1 AFR.
And I resume listening for the rattle.

Timing,.......To melt, or not to melt.....ill start with +2 degrees. I think from what I've read, this is where power is gonna come back. Currently I'm a 16 degrees at 11 psi....

Can you say "a 500 horsepower 6 banger?" Especially considering that this engine made 99 whole whopping ponies when it was factory fresh in the '78 Maverick that I drug this engine out of?

Of course you can....it's easy.....It sounds just like...........

BooM!


But,...today is the Sunday, on the week after Thanksgiving.

The wife gets all "Christmassy" at these times...and this year want an 8-10 tall real tree. ( yeah,...I know,..10 feet tall). The new house has skylights right in the middle of it, and she figures she's gonna stick that thing right there..


I only think I'm gonna work on the car today.
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Mike start small.... only remove 10% above 7psi see how rich it is do some simple math and go from there....

Don't touch timing untill the AFR is set then for every 2*timing you add also add 1%fuel.
 

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I know the feeling, I had a plan for today, that went out the window as 'she' was walking out the door a few minutes ago,
'Are you going to get the decorations down from the attic and put the tree up today?
Why did she put this in the form of a question?
Of course I am dear.
 
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The house looks really nice Mike, glad that all worked out for you and the Mrs. Dont light that month old tree on fire come Christmas, and ruin that pretty house.
 

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madmike1157 said:
They need to make an COPO Camaro version of one of these things...allow you to choose what you want/need and nothing that you don't. and then sell it like a factory ordered radio delete hotrod. No pwr anything, no AC, manual steering, nothin else.... Just a big honkin engine, 4 speed trans, and a 4.11 posi-trac loaded 12 bolt. I'd have a stripper iPad,..no keys with two functions, or 50 bagillion icons that you never use just a big, fast processor, connection capabilities for wifi, Bluetooth, and cellular, and the stinkin ability to load actual computer programs in it... I'd be Da Done Dah
Click to expand...


This is called an Android device but there is a caveat. To get it you would have to pay full price for an unlocked, bare bones device that is not married to any carrier (carriers of course, buy in quantity and off-set the price by including it in the service). You will then need to configure it.

The middle ground is an Android device from a carrier with those unwanted items hidden from view or disabled. You will then need to configure it.

If you're looking for the one that comes pre-configured in just the way you want it without any customization well... Anyone seen any Gila Monsters in the retail arena?
 

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Did you and Buford duke it out after Auburn ruined their ? Did you already move that nozzle? Do we have video of smoky burnouts?
 

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Noobz347 said:
This is called an Android device but there is a caveat. To get it you would have to pay full price for an unlocked, bare bones device that is not married to any carrier (carriers of course, buy in quantity and off-set the price by including it in the service). You will then need to configure it.

The middle ground is an Android device from a carrier with those unwanted items hidden from view or disabled. You will then need to configure it.

If you're looking for the one that comes pre-configured in just the way you want it without any customization well... Anyone seen any Gila Monsters in the retail arena?
Click to expand...

There IS a Gila Monster version of Android. Root your phone. Install a custom ROM. None of the bloat, but like the Monster you may find that certain things don't function the way you planned or you need to redo it a couple of times. I almost had to eat some cash and get rid of my LG V20, but I rooted it and got rid of all the AT&T bloatware, flashed a custom kernel, and it's like it's got a 2nd CPU now.
 
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CarMichael Angelo

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I did get to spend time on the car, and I woulda had it done........except for this thing...

Stupid piece of junk. It's supposed to be a one way valve.......The one I have is a two way valve.

It's actual purpose is to keep engine vacuum from drawing water into the engine under high vacuum situations. Mine lets water drip into the engine under no vacuum situations. The junker is stuck open.

however,...that was not the case when I first started messing with it.

I actually had the entire system plumbed...I was gonna just go out and test it on the street. For whatever reason though, "the little voice" popped into my head and suggested that I do a dry run test, considering that I am now almost a full point leaner than I was before. I listened to that voice.

The valve was stuck closed. Even at 200 psi, nothing got past that valve.

I took it back off and looked at it,...no way to open it up to see what had happened to the valve..So I did what every LS mechanic woulda done to fix it...I stuck a screw driver down inside one end and gave it a smack.

It made a noise like it popped into place.

I checked it again,..it was now flowing.

So I put it back together,...Only problem was that water was dripping out now...

I pulled it back off and checked it again. You could blow through it on both ends. It was now stuck open.
I bounced between giving each end a smack, and each time, it would either not allow air to move through it at all, or it would move through it from both ends...

I determined that it's phcked.

Now,...I gotta wait till Monday, talk to Snow (who are on Mountain Time) and see what they'll do for me. ( we wont say anything about the Chevy boy work ethic,...smacking the thing open and closed kind of ding dang deal though)

I think I'm just gonna put a solenoid on it and create a positive open/close valve so that it'll be safe in all scenarios.
( Snow performance dude wanted me to install a solenoid so that water wouldn't siphon if I happened to park nose down somewhere,....now I'll just do it so that it'll keep the water in the reservoir when the engine is running, unless its supposed to be spraying it in there.)

It's kinda intimidating watching the thing spray though.....it looks like its spraying a bunch of water when it's in action. Hopefully I won't fill the engine with water on accident.

The tune is modified, the output is set... the car is back together. The only thing left to do is blow it up.
 
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And when you do, I will be right here to help you feel better about spending that $1500/2500 and 20 hours labor on the rebuild.
 

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CarMichael Angelo

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karthief said:
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Is there a reason for that, or do you just like popcorn?
 

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Maybe I like popcorn
Maybe I like reading your witty banter
Maybe I'm waiting for the video of the monster abuse of innocent asphalt
Nope, I definitely like popcorn.
 

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karthief said:
Maybe I like popcorn
Maybe I like reading your witty banter
Maybe I'm waiting for the video of the monster abuse of innocent asphalt
Nope, I definitely like popcorn.
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You say witty banter,..Noobz says excessive blather...either way,...that ain't gonna stop.

Some day there'll be a great vid,..I've had one in my head for over a year now..I just need multiple cameras, at least two other humans, a chase car, a cool soundtrack, and some practical experience editing it all together.
I don't got none of that.
 
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I can supply the chase car, it drives like a dump truck, is not very fast but is handy when things go BOOM
 

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95BlueStallion said:
And when you do, I will be right here to help you feel better about spending that $1500/2500 and 20 hours labor on the rebuild.
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Luckily, there's guys like you on standby with a handful of salt ready to throw at the fresh wounds. Hah!
 
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Luckily, there's guys like you on standby with a handful of salt ready to throw at the fresh wounds. Hah!
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Technically guys like me are all over this forum, they just dont enjoy poking the bear we call @madmike1157 like I do.
 
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Technically guys like me are all over this forum, they just dont enjoy poking the bear we call @madmike1157 like I do.
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You have to slowly earn the right to do so. Like any other social arena, this place has a hierarchy and not a few unwritten rules.
 

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You have to slowly earn the right to do so. Like any other social arena, this place has a hierarchy and not a few unwritten rules.
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You may be right. Ive been pissing Mike off since back before he became God like, and was just putting a '68 rear end on a fox.
 

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So,....It looks like I'm gonna have to be the James T. Kirk of the forum then?....I'm gonna have to boldy go where no stangnet man has ever gone before?

The system is now plumbed. And tested again. I searched all over the web this morning for a locally available 12v solenoid that could take the pressure, and could stand exposure to meth. That meant that the thing had to be able to stand over 200psi, and had to have SS internals and Viton rubber sealing gaskets. I found a place down town that converted gasoline over to LPG on rock crawlers. He had the solenoid for 35 bucks.
But the I looked at my text messages,......my friend had one for free.

Free is always better than 35 bucks.

I bought him and his dad lunch, and had to live through a bunch of his conservative, Trump lovin' BS, but,..like I said...
It was free.
And he knows that I ignore him when he's on a rant about guns, gays, and Trump.

So in the end, a fair trade.


No btchin about the pic,..I was in a hurry. And in my case,...Hurry makes blurry.

So,..nothin left to do but test it....I'm gonna go out there right now and do just that.
 
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How much was lunch? I feel like that cost and having to listen to someone talk abour our President (yes, yours too) would have made the $35 feel like free! I dont hate Trump specifically, but just politics as a whole.
 
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