Build Thread 1978 Mercury Cyclone. The pig is in the pen.

[95BlueStallion]

I hate myself.

I need two 90 degree -12 fittings. One end needs to be -12' the other end 3/4 npt.

I look on Summit's website and find two steel pieces that fit the bill. 6.97 ea. Says they're in stock. I call to order.

They're in stock alright........................in Ohio.

Ordered today, they wouldn't get to me until the very end of the day on MONDAY....In other words, both of my days off wasted because of lack of material.

I check into what it'll cost to overnight them...25 bucks. Plus a 10.00 handling charge.
Let's add that up then,.....14 + 25 + 10 = 49 Dollars. 50 bucks For two freakin steel fittings that list for 6.97 ea.

If the parts were in Atlanta, then all I'd have to pay was the 10 handling charge, because stuff shipped from Summit's Atlanta warehouse gets to me normally in one day. 14 + 10 = 24 bucks....
Half.......Eddie.
But they don't have it in Atlanta. So even talking about this is pointless.

So then,.....what DO you have in Atlanta that I CAN use then?.....

We have them in aluminum...

How much are they?

16.97 ea. Just north of twice as costly, and only 10.00 extra for shipping and handling. Bottom line,...
44 bucks.

I saved 5 bucks... So I ordered it. 5 bucks, and Aluminum...the right side of my brain justified it as the more logical of the two options.

This purchase is one that really gripes me though....Partly, because I've known I was gonna do this at the beginning of the week. When there would've been more than enough time to get something shipped from Ohio to me using normal ground service.

But I figured a simple fitting would also be in Atlanta.

So I waited.

The other part that bugs me is that I have no idea if " Catch can v3.0" will work any better than either of the two previous failed experiments. So spending any more money than I have to on a folly that could end up getting thrown in the trash is still a possibility.

And that'll PMTFO.

Here's the kicker...

Even though it typically only takes a day for stuff to get to me shipped out of Atlanta,..it isn't guaranteed.
It still might not get here till late in the day on Monday.

Unspeakable rage....that's what it'll be.....

There is no where in all of Birmingham where you could have bought these elbows and avoided all that hassle/expense?

 

[CarMichael Angelo]

There is no where in all of Birmingham where you could have bought these elbows and avoided all that hassle/expense?

That's why I waited. I figured surely I'd be able to find something similar in a hardware store.

No,...said the finger.

The inside of my catch can will be a labyrinth. An oil vapor mega maze. If wet oil makes it pass the staggered baffles, up-sloping floor, multiple chambers, and stainless steel scrubber balls that I'm gonna jam into the final chamber,..I'm just gonna take that breather box to work with me, and put it on the ground.

Then I'm gonna get in the forklift,....fire that sucker up,....and take turns setting heavier, and heavier pallets on it until I crush the piss out of it.

 

[a91what]

Well let's hope this one goes well eh.

 

[stangboy]

Mike, refresh my memory, do you have a pcv system? The reason I'm asking is because I hooked up my catchcan between the pcv valve and one of the vacuum sources on the intake. Works like a dream. Would that not work for you??

 

[CarMichael Angelo]

Mike, refresh my memory, do you have a pcv system? The reason I'm asking is because I hooked up my catchcan between the pcv valve and one of the vacuum sources on the intake. Works like a dream. Would that not work for you??

1. Turbo charger.
2. Low tension rings.
3. Excessive blow by under boost.

V 2.0 had a 1/2" line dedicated to a vacuum source to try and keep the oil vapors recirculated into the intake stream. No worky. ( at least the version I made didn't work).

The engine just huffs too much under boost to try and circulate it back into the engine. Wet oil in the intake path is a bad thing, so for now I'll try and figure a way to just let the damn engine breathe out.

 

[CarMichael Angelo]

Remember when I said that if I didn't get the fittings Friday that I'd just lose my sht?

Well they didn't come.

Annnnd...

I decided to keep calm about it.

For the over 25 years that I've lived in Birmingham, and through three house moves, stuff ordered from Summit on a weekday always got to me the next weekday.

That is until we moved to this new house. I finally figured it out last night. I have effectively moved myself out of the "next day" zone, by moving to the NE edge of the city. The last two houses were either located smack in the middle of Birmingham, or it's slightly smaller burb, Hoover,..and both were on/in the high commerce parts of the respective cities.

Now I live in the proverbial sticks.

Now I'm in the "We'll get to you when we're good and damn ready to" zone.

So,..no 90 degree fittings until about 7-8 PM Monday night.........Whoop-di-doo.

I have one small option Monday to get some fittings that may work from the same guy that I got the solenoid from..but I'll have to travel 30 miles to do it. Meh,..I don't know....we'll see I guess.

The project itself has taken on a porno look with regard to its design, and I'm struggling with the aesthetics.

Picture this in your head.

A rectangular box. A tubular shaft is attached to the box right in the middle of the box. At the head of the shaft there's a bulbous looking filter attached to the end of the shaft. Two smaller filters attached to the shaft at perpendicular angles..three filters all toll.

In other words...I'll have this metal penis looking thing attached to the front of my engine,..and depending on how well the things works,..it may or may not drip spooge looking fungoo out of the breathers after a "hard pull".

 

[droopie85gt]

You'll figure it out. Maybe the extra time gives you a chance to refine your design....or at least make it forklift proof.

 

[RaggedGT]

Gawd that’s funny .. Hopefully it works well lol

Edit- you have probably answered this already, but why won’t a scavenger pump work/help in your application?

 

[General karthief]

I think somebody needs to call his job and tell them to hide the keys to the forklift.

 

[jrichker]

It is time to quit trying to reinvent the wheel...

@Davedacarpainter Can you name a supplier of air/ water separators that you see in the air compressor plumbing that you use to paint cars?

The "dry air" gets dumped overboard; easy enough to do.
The "drain" connects to a one way check valve similar to the one in the 5.0 fox body smog system. Then the drain dumps goopy water vapor and oil mess in the bottom of the separator bowl into the exhaust after the turbocharger. The check valve protects the separator and plumbing in case of a backfire or an odd pressure surge.

 

[Davedacarpainter]

It is time to quit trying to reinvent the wheel...

@Davedacarpainter Can you name a supplier of air/ water separators that you see in the air compressor plumbing that you use to paint cars?

The "dry air" gets dumped overboard; easy enough to do.
The "drain" connects to a one way check valve similar to the one in the 5.0 fox body smog system. Then the drain dumps goopy water vapor and oil mess in the bottom of the separator bowl into the exhaust after the turbocharger. The check valve protects the separator and plumbing in case of a backfire or an odd pressure surge.

Devilbiss.

 

[CarMichael Angelo]

It is time to quit trying to reinvent the wheel...

@Davedacarpainter Can you name a supplier of air/ water separators that you see in the air compressor plumbing that you use to paint cars?

The "dry air" gets dumped overboard; easy enough to do.
The "drain" connects to a one way check valve similar to the one in the 5.0 fox body smog system. Then the drain dumps goopy water vapor and oil mess in the bottom of the separator bowl into the exhaust after the turbocharger. The check valve protects the separator and plumbing in case of a backfire or an odd pressure surge.

Devilbiss.

Ffffttt.
I may as well run one 1/2" hose off the valve cover, and put a cork in it.
Using an air/water separator designed and intended for compressed air would have an equivalent effect.
Air,.. ( or oil laden vapor in my case) .moved at just north of atmospheric pressure needs large volume to move efficiently or internal pressure increases. When that happens,..gaskets spooge out,..oil spews everywhere, and then I get on here and piss and moan about gaskets spooging, and oil spewing.
I need big hoses, large openings, and multiple vents to let this pig breathe, all w/o hocking up a lugie at the same time.

I'm not trying to reinvent the wheel no more than I'm trying to reinvent an Aussie headed, fuel injected, turbocharged, roller cammed, boat anchor. Using stuff that came from SBF, BBC, SBC, and BBF parts bins.

 

[95BlueStallion]

I actually used a home depot air/water separator on my '95, and it didnt work very well. Needed cleaned about every other day.

 

[Noobz347]

I only skimmed.

Is the elephant in the room the wrong piston rings for the application?

 

[General karthief]

I only skimmed.

Is the elephant in the room the wrong piston rings for the application?

Probably the gap between the toes, ahh, I mean ring gap, put'n off the inevitable engine pull, re-ring?

 

[Bullitt347]

At this point, he either re-builds the engine proper, or uses a real evac system. Guess what he is going to do....neither. Thus the continuing drama. It will at least keep the post count up. Lol.

 

[General karthief]

Here is my 'I know mike will do it at least twice' best guess:
He will make what he's got liveable then find another six shooter and build that fix'n all the stuff that went sideways with the present six shooter.

 

[Noobz347]

What the hell. Bookface miracle cure.


May need a stool softener for oil changes.

 

[jrichker]

Devilbiss.

Thank you Dave.

Of all us here you have probably more experience than anyone else trying to separate contaminating fluids from air.

 

[CarMichael Angelo]

Maybe you guys should start a pool. What better way to justify reading and watching what I do when the end result may end up making you some money?

The real problem is in fact the low tension rings.

The fact of the matter is that 500 bucks probably will fix this, provided there isn't any other obvious calamities lying in wait once the engine is opened.

And I'll consider that.

Right after I make one more band-aid attempt at containing the blow by.

If this peen-vac-u-ation system doesn't work,..ill save the money I need to do a quick r&r of the engine, an fix this btch.

But not before.