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Build Thread 1978 Mercury Cyclone. The pig is in the pen.

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CarMichael Angelo

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jrichker said:
Which one is pretty oblivious; meeting Jesus... There is no escaping the EVERY KNEE WILL BOW. Your knees will not prove to be a problem when that time comes....
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Thanks for that Brother Joe. I’ll put a pin in my 2040 calendar to check if that time is near.
Save it please Joe, you really don’t want to know what I think about Jesus.
 
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GSC Power-Division Billet Toyota 2JZ-GTE VVTi S1 Camshafts Set

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Damn that interior is dirty.
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And it isn’t together yet.. Shame on me for not vacuuming it before I put it all back together.

If you think it looks dirty now, You should’ve seen it before I shoveled all of the out of the floor boards.
 
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GSC Power-Division Billet Toyota 2JZ-GTE VVTi S1 Camshafts Set

GSC Power-Division Billet Toyota 2JZ-GTE VVTi S1 Camshafts Set
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Yeah.....Cams, springs, and pistons...All on the table if I don’t break the engine over the next year.
 
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CarMichael Angelo said:
Yeah.....Cams, springs, and pistons...All on the table if I don’t break the engine over the next year.
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Put a rod in it too at that point . Then it will take whatever you could ever want to throw at it
 

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It may sound like a Pinto....but that ain't a Pinto.
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When I get my turbo pinto engine running, THAT, will sounds like a Pinto. Mike's sounds like Japanese pretentiousness... Until it get whipped with 15lbs.
 

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There is a drip and small puddle that has formed under the rear sump, directly around the most recent attempt to fix the oil leak the last time. Either i didn’t get the area clean enough when I last tried to fix it with epoxy, or didn’t get it completely covered regardless, it’s leaking. I figure i’ll let it go until break in oil change time, and when the pan is completely drained I’ll clean off the old epoxy and apply a larger patch.

A Toyota factory rear sump pan won’t fit this K member, ( 1978 Factory 6 banger K), and I’m not gonna convert over to a lightweight version and have to remake the mounts to allow me to use one ( The rear sump pans don’t look like a rear sump anyway),

they look like they’ll be a pain in my ass to make fit, So i gotta get my pan fixed properly.
 
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What....did the pan up to light to find the pin holes not work
 

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What....did the pan up to light to find the pin holes not work
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Quiet you.. it was the thermostat housing that i put through the light test. ( it doesn’t leak)

I “old school“ filled that pan with solvent to check it for leaks.. Clearly, it didn’t pass THAT test.
 
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Seems I can’t help myself. I used to think it was “having“ the cool car that attracted me to the hobby, and that the build/modification process to get it there was a necessary evil.
After having several of them, it soon became apparent to me that I actually preferred the build phase more than actually owning them. And to this day, that is still mostly accurate.
But as some diseases can be treated with Antibiotics, an increasing amount of them that could once be vanquished with a strong dose of Amoxicillin, have find a way to mutate and become resistant to the cure, forcing the doctors and scientists to become even more vigilant in how they treat them. The fear that one day, the disease will become untreatable.

I have that disease.

The car is down there in the garage in running condition. I’ve only driven the thing for 15 minutes since being able to actually drive the thing. The tach has an hour meter on it displaying a grand total of 33 hours of actual run time.

I got those gauges 2 years ago.

Youd think that having struggled through these last 9 months to get this thing converted and running, that I’d be jonesing to get in it and drive......

Nope. I’m looking for more places to spend money on it....

So my disease has mutated,....While I use to live for the build so I could get it done, now it seems I live to have to “keep“ building it.
By buying more junk to keep it unfinished.

Truly a strain of Munchausens disease. An untreatable version.

I sit and obsess....I don’t like the exhaust, I’m worried about the trans, specifically my mad scientist adapter/ coupler. I’m concerned about the cast pistons,...... the engine sounds too tame, ......the list goes on and on. On one hand, I want to be able to drive it the way I typically drive ( read: I expect to be able to absolutely shred the rear tires) But i’m tempered by the “ what if’s.
( I fully blame the 3AMD for this)

If the piston fails, the damage is usually catastrophic. And if that happens, i’m done for a long time. Actually may even have to start completely over with a new engine.
Who knows what’ll happen if I shear the bolts off that bolt the bell housing to the transmission.

The muffler/ exhaust....meh,......that’s just a matter of swapping things out. The all too stock exhaust note will require camshafts and springs to change that. And that will also affect the muffler choice.

I think it’s a simple character flaw that requires an expensive solution:

I get bored really quickly.
 

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I'm waiting for the 'since it has a leaky oil pan I'm going to pull the engine and change cams, pistons and whatever else I can think of to keep me busy for the next nine months' post.
Oh, 'and the trans, gotta do something about the trans even though I have no idea if the setup that is in there will hold together or not'.
 
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General karthief said:
I'm waiting for the 'since it has a leaky oil pan I'm going to pull the engine and change cams, pistons and whatever else I can think of to keep me busy for the next nine months' post.
Oh, 'and the trans, gotta do something about the trans even though I have no idea if the setup that is in there will hold together or not'.
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AWWWW Pipe down...

The car is up in the air, BUT only to try and patch the leaking pan.. I have cleaned, sanded, and reapplied the jb goop over a larger area. Hopefully, the leak is fixed for now.
As long as everything else works, I'm driving it.
As for the other stuff,...I'll buy a rebuildable 4l60e, and build the piss out of it.
( that can be done w/o disabling the car.)
If I can get that adapter from Australia, I'll buy it. Once Summer is over, again if everything is ok, I'll do a trans swap, and cams.
 
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CarMichael Angelo said:
And it isn’t together yet.. Shame on me for not vacuuming it before I put it all back together.

If you think it looks dirty now, You should’ve seen it before I shoveled all of the out of the floor boards.
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So was that like actual mouse or just shoved in the car? Luckily I have no actual , but a lot of junk in my car and garage!

CarMichael Angelo said:
AWWWW Pipe down...

The car is up in the air, BUT only to try and patch the leaking pan.. I have cleaned, sanded, and reapplied the jb goop over a larger area. Hopefully, the leak is fixed for now.
As long as everything else works, I'm driving it.
As for the other stuff,...I'll buy a rebuildable 4l60e, and build the piss out of it.
( that can be done w/o disabling the car.)
If I can get that adapter from Australia, I'll buy it. Once Summer is over, again if everything is ok, I'll do a trans swap, and cams.
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I've been working 10-12 hr days for 2 weeks even some on weekends. Do I have to go back 2 or 3 pages to figure out what's wrong with the Ford transmission and if you're going to throw 15+ lbs of boost why you aren't just throwing a take out 4l80 in it?

Oh so I did go back. Yes, I might worry about that travesty of justice adapting stuff too.
 

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I love your pictures with the fuvked up garage. Love it , reminds me when I am knee deep.
 

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droopie85gt said:
So was that like actual mouse or just shoved in the car? Luckily I have no actual , but a lot of junk in my car and garage!




I've been working 10-12 hr days for 2 weeks even some on weekends. Do I have to go back 2 or 3 pages to figure out what's wrong with the Ford transmission and if you're going to throw 15+ lbs of boost why you aren't just throwing a take out 4l80 in it?

Oh so I did go back. Yes, I might worry about that travesty of justice adapting stuff too.
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Really? So now I have to backtrack because you can’t be bothered to pay attention simply because you’re working a weanie assed 80 hour week?

Panty waist.

you must’ve missed all of this then ?


No jig, No fixture of any kind except the short block on the ground, leveled, and the trans on a rollie cart, leveled at a height “ guesstimate “ for the input shaft.

The thing could be cockeyed up/down, right/left. Off by thousandths just enough to prematurely wear the rear main, or the front pump bushing out. OR, ( if i’m shooting for cataclysmic failure) completely rattle the mains out of it from excessive harmonics in a very short time. Like my buddy @HotFox thinks.

Or..

Or by some weird fluke of luck, I got all of that sht right,....And it’ll run till I decide to change it all out for some more chevy sht.

Either way, If I have the adapter, the fully built 4l60e, the new shifter gate plate, and a converter sitting somewhere...it might not be 8 months before the thing runs again.
 
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Oh, I had a few hundred 32oz Dos Xx since then. Go out and send it. You're just a tow truck away from home at any time.
 

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CarMichael Angelo said:
Really? So now I have to backtrack because you can’t be bothered to pay attention simply because you’re working a weanie assed 80 hour week?

Panty waist.

you must’ve missed all of this then ?


No jig, No fixture of any kind except the short block on the ground, leveled, and the trans on a rollie cart, leveled at a height “ guesstimate “ for the input shaft.

The thing could be cockeyed up/down, right/left. Off by thousandths just enough to prematurely wear the rear main, or the front pump bushing out. OR, ( if i’m shooting for cataclysmic failure) completely rattle the mains out of it from excessive harmonics in a very short time. Like my buddy @HotFox thinks.

Or..

Or by some weird fluke of luck, I got all of that sht right,....And it’ll run till I decide to change it all out for some more chevy sht.

Either way, If I have the adapter, the fully built 4l60e, the new shifter gate plate, and a converter sitting somewhere...it might not be 8 months before the thing runs again.
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Yeah if you were in Michigan I would take that weldment and first beat you over the head with it and toss it in the trash. Then take the trans and bell to a buddy, he has access to a CMM after hours. He would measure every critical bolt hole, center point, dowel and put into CAD. I would then create a detailed solid model 3D adapter using Solid Works CAD. We would then either water jet or CNC or a combination out of aluminum. Tadah! The only 2JZ to 4r70w adapter!
 

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HotFox said:
Yeah if you were in Michigan I would take that weldment and first beat you over the head with it and toss it in the trash. Then take the trans and bell to a buddy, he has access to a CMM after hours. He would measure every critical bolt hole, center point, dowel and put into CAD. I would then create a detailed solid model 3D adapter using Solid Works CAD. We would then either water jet or CNC or a combination out of aluminum. Tadah! The only 2JZ to 4r70w adapter!
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Unfortunately there is the small problem of the 1000 or so miles between you and me. If/ when the adapter fails then you get to say I told you so...
( along with jeff)
If that thing lasts till i decide to upgrade,...Until that time comes..

I already have the only 2jz to 4r70 w adapter.
 

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I wonder how many 2jz to 4r70 adapters can be sold.
I bet at least two
 
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General karthief said:
I wonder how many 2jz to 4r70 adapters can be sold.
I bet at least two
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And the oil pan...In all of the netherworld of cyber space, nobody makes a fabbed rear sump pan for that engine. I thought about that “opportunity” too.
But decided against doing anything further. The demand for a rear sump 2jz oil pan from the entire worldwide market sales potential would come down to countable on one hand.
 
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