matt93notch said:just nice that a bolton 5.0 fox is side by side with the same kind of bolt ons in a 03 gt. a decade of enhancements. yes they usually make 20-35 more hp than a bolt on 5.0 fox but cause of the weight mainly, they run just about dead even if both well tweaked vehicles and good drivers.
5spd GT said:Those "stock" heads are ported. That stock intake is "ported"...you also have bolt-ons. You also don't know who you were racing...now is it coming together
5spd GT said:Enhancements aren't all about the straight line...
5spd GT said:Okay, your not fit for this type of debate. Let me break it down for you...let speeds handle this
For one, it isn't all about beating someone in a straight line. Ford did not go into production saying in 1999 that our goal is to beat a light weight 5.0L notch...
Second, do you know how much more detailed the sohc is over the pushrod, not just the actual engine, but the setup. So does good engine to you mean...'goes fast'...
Third, why do you think there is so many mods for the fox platform (79-93)? It is because they have been around so long, these 4.6L in the mustangs haven't been around as much. You can buy the same things for these cars already as the 5.0L's have...sorry, but it is true. They are more on the expensive side, but prices are dropping as demand and cars increase...that is the way supply and demand work. Very simple...
Fourth, wow I wish I had a sohc in my hands...I'll get one that will take you on no problem...let me guess, when you beat the drivers, you think the car is crap, no matter what it maybe. Here is a tip, go out and drive them, get in a scene where the guys know what they are doing and how to drive...good luck!
What do you mean at a 20mph roll it won't downshift the way it should? LOL!
Do you not think the 15.4's are from bad drivers...your hilarious...now get out
25thmustang said:Now were getting way off subject if we have guys with ported heads and intakes talking about beating them. I wont mention how run with them as it just isnt fair, but most of the time a similarly modded 5.0 will get beat by a smiliarly modded 4.6 (5-speeds). As the mods increase the 5.0 catches up slowely and can even it out when we talk full bolt on.
Mustang5L5 said:The 99+ do handle and brake far better than any stock Fox could, but that's an unfair comparison.
Even wearing stock springs and shocks, my '03 is a blast to take turns with at speed. It just feels so much more stable than my Fox did stock. It's even solid as a rock all the way to 140MPH.
But that is an unfair comparison as we are comparing new technology not to mention a new ABS system (works great btw) and traction control (annoying) to antique disks and drums on the Fox.
irvgotti said:OK ok i ment 40 mph u got me there....and about the ET's i saw...thats what i saw im just stating the truth bad driver or not most ppl cant get 13's out of a stock 03 04 05 GT as advertised cause i really havent seen it...i only state what i see i dont go by mags or fairytales...if u wanna show me that a 4.6 (Stock) pulls an 14.2 or better...then i'll beleive it but as of now i just dont.. i believe the 4.6 is a bad engine cause its full of wires ,dont pull enough power, gas milage decent but not spectacular i still get 24 MPG on my fox Highway and thats 1 MPG off of the 4.6 advertised they didnt lose much wieght on the engine if any... like i said it has so much Crap on it all that tech stuff and to me it isent doing anything . But what i do like is the T56 Tranny...overall it just was a waste of effort in my eyes........i believe newer should be better then older and the 4.6, dose not do that with any athority interior is even shot....
and as of braking ABS traction control all the hokus pokus crap it has on it, it still stops 60-0 at 135 as the Fox body's does. Like i was sayin all that tech isent impressing me..... and as of driving if i do get my hands on anyones 4.6 i bet id drive it better then its owner... ive been doing that latley lol
5spd GT said:Exactly, but I'm not sure why you are saying it is an unfair comparison. You get what you pay for...that is fair.
We have some saying "the fox is the funnest car to drive" etc...etc...and how stock 5.0L's are beating stock 99+'s...but then all of a sudden real quickly a few in here start adding bolt-ons
Mustang5L5 said:Well unfair in the regards that i was comparing a brand new car to a 15+ year old 5.0 with worn bushings, springs, shocks, etc. It's just not a fair comparison because i never drove a brand new 5.0 Mustang. The longer wheelbase and wider track of the 99+ just makes it a much stable ride. EVen though my Fox is modded in the area of suspension and brakes, it still gets twitchy sometimes when you lose traction. The 99+ is a little more predictable and easier to keep the rear end behind you. It's an easier car to drive.
I bet i would piss a lot of people off if i told them about my secret plan to swap a 96-98 Cobra drivetrain into my '88 5.0!
irvgotti said:and as of braking ABS traction control all the hokus pokus crap it has on it, it still stops 60-0 at 135 as the Fox body's does.
irvgotti said:and to me the abs on the mustang isent as good as it should be, good for turning while braking but if a person without ABS knows wat he's doing he can do just as well.....
irvgotti said:all youve been doing is tryin to twist my words and sittin on little details im not mentioning to give yourself a ego boost...im still waiting for your proof for your statement.and like i said if the driver knows whats he's doing he can stop just as well....sit in my car and ill prove it...its easy when u depend on the car to do things for you (ABS)..whats makes u a good driver is when u can make it do what you wanna do no matter what the car might have or not have....
Find the proof braking and the MPG BS and ill take back what i said....but till then your just talkin
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