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Engine 93 lx top end kit install now has no power.

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anorth93

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Mustang5L5 said:
yes, cylinder 6 is not contributing. Gotta check spark, fuel and compression on that cylinder.
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Or should I swap number 6 injector to another one and see if the problem follows
 

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If you want to check and make sure the wiring to #6 is good then get a noid light from the parts store and that will tell you if the injector is getting voltage. If that checks good then I would swap it with one of the other cylinders as you mentioned and see if the problem follows it.
 
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AeroCoupe said:
If you want to check and make sure the wiring to #6 is good then get a noid light from the parts store and that will tell you if the injector is getting voltage. If that checks good then I would swap it with one of the other cylinders as you mentioned and see if the problem follows it.
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This is how much vacuum at idle also, not sure where it's supposed to be. It's a trick flow stage 1 cam
 

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I’d say it’s a little low. Mild cam is usually somewhere between 12-16. Lots of things can affect it like timing being retarded and/or a vacuum leak(s).

Where did you pull the vacuum at?
 
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AeroCoupe said:
I’d say it’s a little low. Mild cam is usually somewhere between 12-16. Lots of things can affect it like timing being retarded and/or a vacuum leak(s).

Where did you pull the vacuum at?
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From right behind the throttle body, it's a Holley systemax 2 intake so one of the 3 ports back there now after running it for about 20 minutes it went all the way to the green section on the gauge and stayed there. . Timing is at 12° initial
 

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If cyl 6 is not firing, those numbers are going to change once you get it going.

I'd move past looking at Vac and investigate cyl 6.


BTW, my car sat for about 8 year or so without being started. In 2009 i got it going again and started driving it. I drove it around a FULL YEAR on 7 cylinders with my cylinder 4 dead. I had a minor vibration but that was about it. Car ran fine and had adequate power. Did the CBT and found cyl 4 was not contributing. Car ran great which made me wonder how that could be. Long story short, i found the injector was dead. Not squirting at all. Swapped it out and it felt like i gained 50 HP. Can't believe I drove a full year (granted, only a few hundred miles) like that and didn't even notice.
 
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Mustang5L5 said:
If cyl 6 is not firing, those numbers are going to change once you get it going.

I'd move past looking at Vac and investigate cyl 6.


BTW, my car sat for about 8 year or so without being started. In 2009 i got it going again and started driving it. I drove it around a FULL YEAR on 7 cylinders with my cylinder 4 dead. I had a minor vibration but that was about it. Car ran fine and had adequate power. Did the CBT and found cyl 4 was not contributing. Car ran great which made me wonder how that could be. Long story short, i found the injector was dead. Not squirting at all. Swapped it out and it felt like i gained 50 HP. Can't believe I drove a full year (granted, only a few hundred miles) like that and didn't even notice.
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So I know the injector atleast primes, because I put the fuel rail in a bucket and zip tied them all to the rail to check before installing them because I had 2 bad ones from the first new set. But that doesn't mean it's working correctly. Car idles great, just when you put a load on it it won't spin the tires or anything then it pops in the intake. I'm going to compression test it and noid test the injector, and also move it to a different cylinder and see if it moves with it
 
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Another thing is all the plugs like 3 sets in a row look black and fouled out. But yet the afr gauge shows lean and it pops in the intake under load. I've always read plugs but I'm just confused at this point
 

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Is your AFR gauge good quality because if the plugs are showing it rich they don’t lie. Are you sure they are showing rich or is it oil?
 
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Is your AFR gauge good quality because if the plugs are showing it rich they don’t lie. Are you sure they are showing rich or is it oil?
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These are the plugs from when the one injector wasn't working. That's why that one plug looks brand new. It's not oil. It's definitely carbon AFR gauge is a Autometer. Before this top end kit the car literally ran perfect. I would have drove it from Florida to California and not thought twice about it. Everything happened after this top end kit
 

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These are the plugs from when the one injector wasn't working. That's why that one plug looks brand new. It's not oil. It's definitely carbon AFR gauge is a Autometer. Before this top end kit the car literally ran perfect. I would have drove it from Florida to California and not thought twice about it. Everything happened after this top end kit
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These are the second set
 

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I just do not see how the AFR is reading correctly if the plugs are fuel fouled. Is the Autometer unit a narrow band or wide band? Either way it just sounds like it has issues but regardless that does not solve the problem. Any chance you have another ECU you can try?
 
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I just do not see how the AFR is reading correctly if the plugs are fuel fouled. Is the Autometer unit a narrow band or wide band? Either way it just sounds like it has issues but regardless that does not solve the problem. Any chance you have another ECU you can try?
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It's a wide band. The sensor is on the driver side which is where the bad cylinders coming from, So maybe that's why it's getting funky readings. I don't have an extra computer. I have a complete Holly Terminator x system sitting in the box. I just bought it when I thought they were going away for future turbo stroker motor builds.
 
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I just pulled these plugs this set don't look fouled at all. Number 6 is definitely soaked in fuel. I'm not sure if the orange is from the left over octane boost in the car or not. My buddy told me about using it with the nitrous but after I looked at the plugs that stuff makes it hard to read so I quit using it. Don't hate on my makeshift plug holder
 

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This is #3 with the octane stuff cleaned off
 
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Swap injectors and compression test 6. It’s clearly not firing. Need to find out why
 

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Have you checked for spark on #6?
 

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I agree with the others. That 6 hole is dead. Not for nothing but have you pulled/looked inside the distributor cap and also checked the plug wire?
 
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Mustang5L5 said:
Swap injectors and compression test 6. It’s clearly not firing. Need to find out why
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So I put the little cheap spark tester in line and it was lighting up. Doesn't mean it's enough spark tho. I'll do the compression test tomorrow and let you guys know. I appreciate all the help. I was ready to give up
 
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AeroCoupe said:
Have you checked for spark on #6?
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I put the inline spark tester that lights up, and it lit up
 
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