No doubt you can push those heads hard. I just wouldn't recommend them to anyone who is starting with a 351 block. If your plan is a 302 top end, don't spend money on a 351 bottom end. You represent a dangerous element on the internet. People see something on the internet, and instantly think they can replicate it. For every one person that runs a 12 on P heads, there are 50 who are stuck in the 13s, and another 150 stuck in the 14s; all wondering how you did it.
Kurt
No doubt you can push those heads hard. I just wouldn't recommend them to anyone who is starting with a 351 block. If your plan is a 302 top end, don't spend money on a 351 bottom end. You represent a dangerous element on the internet. People see something on the internet, and instantly think they can replicate it. For every one person that runs a 12 on P heads, there are 50 who are stuck in the 13s, and another 150 stuck in the 14s; all wondering how you did it.
Kurt
Wow, Cutting deep! No harm, lol. Sounds like the kid is wanting to challenge himself and learn to do something he doesn't already know how to do. The car above is my fathernlaws, not mine. He literally paid $50 for that car and learned to do everything on it. He didn't know how when he started, as most of us. I agree that most can't achieve those results, but they probably aren't willing to put the amount of time and effort into learning what it takes either. As for how he did it, I pretty much laid out the recipe. Any other details you would like to know, just ask. We are all here to help and encourage one another.
Joe
Wow, Cutting deep! No harm, lol. Sounds like the kid is wanting to challenge himself and learn to do something he doesn't already know how to do. The car above is my fathernlaws, not mine. He literally paid $50 for that car and learned to do everything on it. He didn't know how when he started, as most of us. I agree that most can't achieve those results, but they probably aren't willing to put the amount of time and effort into learning what it takes either. As for how he did it, I pretty much laid out the recipe. Any other details you would like to know, just ask. We are all here to help and encourage one another.
Joe
Yes sir. Your budget doesen't allow for busted crap, and you will break cht.So what I'm getting is just run the P heads, spend the 5 grand (yes I have a trailer and a diesel pickup to haul it), see what the $5k gets me and get out there and have fun with it. If it runs a mid 12 with am 11 second goal...eh...I'm a season or two maybe step up to an aluminum 205 head? Maybe that plate kit too? But for the time being maybe stick to budget as close as possible and let her eat
I think you need to layout out a plan and stick $ beside everything.
$400 for a 230+cfm head is a steal. Is it ideal? No. Then again neither are TF 11r190's on a 351... there is a mentality of "to do it right"... then there is reality of budgets. In the "to do it right" world where do you stop? It's been mentioned already something to the effect of don't put 302 parts on a 351... so, in that vane, why would you put 190cc heads on a 351 when that is what all the faster 302's/306's are running? Step on up to the 205's... but guess what? 190 = $1600... 205's = $2000. But wait, why build a 351" when you have the potential to have 408"... going to build a 408 going to need 225's race ported for $3000+... it never ends when the budget is overlooked.
$400 230cfm heads, $400 solid custom cam and $400 solid lifter ($1200 total) is going to make more power than $1600/$2000 heads with a stock lifter and cam. (of course an no2 kit with be cheaper than either and faster than both) Yes, you can cam and lifter with the better heads too... now you are looking at $2400/$2800 vs $1200...Lets not forget those 12:1-13:1 pistons are going to be $500+. Well over half your budget and you still have to buy assembly lube, fluids, gaskets, plugs wires,intake carb, fuel pump, dizzy, coil, headers... opps, there is your budget done... too bad you don't have money for arms, shocks gears, convertor, slicks/skinnies, driveshaft loop, line lock, tach... bet you want a manual valve body and shifter too right? Do you have a helmet... how about a dolly/trailer to get it to and from the track? LOL it all adds up. You start putting $ with the stuff listed above and you'll see $5000 is going to be tight.
With 230cfm, 13:1 compression, 1-3/4" open headers with a good carb intake... if cam'd properly, there is no reason it cannot make 450+fwhp.
Now, a bunch of folks are going to chime in and say, ya, but the future...
If you want to start another thread about a car that someday might run... and budget isn't all that important then feel free to do so.
In this thread you asked about making a track only car for $5000 dollars that'll go 11's.
It was meant to be a compliment.
Kurt
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