Have some of you seen the NW top 10 list???
- Thread starter Stangler
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Wow, there has been a few changes. Im at #9 when at the beginning of summer I was at #6. It also looks like it will be an annual list now. Which is cool I guess.
Something else you cant help but notice is the dominance of turbo cars. I can remember when I could go to a race or a mustang gig and be the only turbo mustang there. That is unless Jeff or Gregg showed up.
Something else you cant help but notice is the dominance of turbo cars. I can remember when I could go to a race or a mustang gig and be the only turbo mustang there. That is unless Jeff or Gregg showed up.
LordMustangGT
Member
h8my408
Member
lol at chung oh and his stupid supercharger! 
look for me next year with my xr4ti, yes, xr4cylinderTurboInduction
look for me next year with my xr4ti, yes, xr4cylinderTurboInductionThat's why I got a turbo! As for the Dart block, that was a MUST have because of the fact that 9's might be the bump spot soon. I remember when I thought having a street car that ran in the 12's was pretty respectable. That was only 10 years ago. Now if you run in the 10's, you don't even stand out of the crowd.
Progression in our sport is awesome and I love the fact that just when you think you have seen it all....... you know the rest. But as far as keeping up, it sure is expensive! I could run 12' for $2500, 11's for $5500, 10's for $10,000. But 9's all of the sudden become a $20,000+ deal if you want to do it safely and reliably.
I might switch my hobby to heavy drug use and drinking.......far cheaper!!
Brandon
Progression in our sport is awesome and I love the fact that just when you think you have seen it all....... you know the rest. But as far as keeping up, it sure is expensive! I could run 12' for $2500, 11's for $5500, 10's for $10,000. But 9's all of the sudden become a $20,000+ deal if you want to do it safely and reliably.
I might switch my hobby to heavy drug use and drinking.......far cheaper!!
Brandon
h8my408
Member
lol!!! i try to use that on my dad all the time when he talks **** about all the time and money i spend on my car hobby... he then reminds me that it would be cheaper, i would have my high, and be sober again comparing time to price....
lol at chung oh and his stupid supercharger!
Those are neat little cars but if you plan on going fast be prepared to do some serious drivetrain modding.
h8my408
Member
LordMustangGT
Member
I actually see one of these in my future, But I like the newer ones from like 94-95. 700awhp would be nice.
Matt
It's great to have the list and look at the performance, but look at the lsit for what it represents. There are many Mustangs fast enough to be on the list, but not subscirbed to Stangnet in our area; so the list is limited in its scope. Moreover, the criterion of "street legal" means next to nothing given the lack of any state inspection, outside of emissions (which most of the cars on the list avoid). Anything can be driven on the street and licensed, even a jet car. After all, the criteria does not include real driving in traffic or driving any distances or daily driving. Licensing means only that the owner has bothered to pay the fee.
Although power adders are here to stay and will likely become more common in time, for me, it's far more interesting to wring NA performance out of a car and most interesting if you can achieve performance with minimal investment. A couple years ago, my neighbor and I got in a good-natured competition, his 347 Falcon against my 351 Foxbody. He managed 12.0's in his trailered racecar to my 11.80's. His response was to buy a supercharger for $4500. -which he installed in an afternoon. Yes, he was faster, but to me the supercharger represented giving up. He didn't solve the problems that were preventing better performance. He had better heads and more compression, he just needed to sort out his combo. For a time last year, after converting to carburation, I took a step backward in performance (low 12's). It was very frustrating. The cam ended up being the culprit. Once changed, the car ran 11.60's. I could have bought a supercharger, though.
If money doesn't matter, we should all begin with new ZO6 Vettes or Vipers and mod from there
Although power adders are here to stay and will likely become more common in time, for me, it's far more interesting to wring NA performance out of a car and most interesting if you can achieve performance with minimal investment. A couple years ago, my neighbor and I got in a good-natured competition, his 347 Falcon against my 351 Foxbody. He managed 12.0's in his trailered racecar to my 11.80's. His response was to buy a supercharger for $4500. -which he installed in an afternoon. Yes, he was faster, but to me the supercharger represented giving up. He didn't solve the problems that were preventing better performance. He had better heads and more compression, he just needed to sort out his combo. For a time last year, after converting to carburation, I took a step backward in performance (low 12's). It was very frustrating. The cam ended up being the culprit. Once changed, the car ran 11.60's. I could have bought a supercharger, though.
If money doesn't matter, we should all begin with new ZO6 Vettes or Vipers and mod from there
Tylerb59
Banned
I'll give my thoughts on the list.
First, take a look at the "local competition" on the GM side: http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=666550
They're tracking data at a more granular level which is great but the scope of our list is sufficient in nearly all cases. I decided to switch to an annual model to inspire local racers to get out to the track and drive competition amongst their peers. This allows the less dedicated racer his 15 minutes of fame even for a short period of time. Having an all time list is nice, but having a regular refresh of the times is better.
It's difficult to draw rules which prevent "race cars" and write in a definition without excluding too many cars. The most wholesome solution is focusing on what makes a licensed vehicle with current tabs, registration and street legal tires. Drag radials walk the line in some cases (single cut groove) but are DOT legal and accordingly will be allowed. I would really like to have a list with entries of true street cars along the lines of daily drivers. The faster you go the less desirable the car is to drive on the street, and throwing in roll bars makes them less of a street car and then throwing in a cage is just pretending. Some of the cars on the list know they’re not street cars … no way in hell are you going to see 80% of them cruising down I-5 on the way to the track or even casually cruising through town. It’s a nice thought though.
Next year will be exciting to see the Top 10 start fresh and watch the new times roll in with all the updated setups from over the winter months.
First, take a look at the "local competition" on the GM side: http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=666550
They're tracking data at a more granular level which is great but the scope of our list is sufficient in nearly all cases. I decided to switch to an annual model to inspire local racers to get out to the track and drive competition amongst their peers. This allows the less dedicated racer his 15 minutes of fame even for a short period of time. Having an all time list is nice, but having a regular refresh of the times is better.
It's difficult to draw rules which prevent "race cars" and write in a definition without excluding too many cars. The most wholesome solution is focusing on what makes a licensed vehicle with current tabs, registration and street legal tires. Drag radials walk the line in some cases (single cut groove) but are DOT legal and accordingly will be allowed. I would really like to have a list with entries of true street cars along the lines of daily drivers. The faster you go the less desirable the car is to drive on the street, and throwing in roll bars makes them less of a street car and then throwing in a cage is just pretending.
Some of the cars on the list know they’re not street cars … no way in hell are you going to see 80% of them cruising down I-5 on the way to the track or even casually cruising through town. It’s a nice thought though. Next year will be exciting to see the Top 10 start fresh and watch the new times roll in with all the updated setups from over the winter months.
WaterPog
Founding Member
I cruise mine around beaverton from time to time, does that count 
The problem is that "street car" is in the eye of the beholder, trying to define it is futile. Just look at the things on your list:
Tabs and registration: What about cars with SP plates or guys who live outside DEQ areas? does that make them not street cars?
Drag Radials: We have several customers who run them all the time, does that make them not street cars?
Daily Driver: Allen only drives his when the weather is good, probably less than a thousand miles a year, does that make it not a street car?
Roll bar or cage: With swing out door bars even a cage can be 100% streetable, it isn't any harder to get in and out than it is without it.
I have driven mine on the street recently, it's perfectly tolerable once you're in but would be nice to have a radio and it could use just a little bit of drivability tuning.
So what makes it NOT a street car?
The problem is that "street car" is in the eye of the beholder, trying to define it is futile. Just look at the things on your list:
Tabs and registration: What about cars with SP plates or guys who live outside DEQ areas? does that make them not street cars?
Drag Radials: We have several customers who run them all the time, does that make them not street cars?
Daily Driver: Allen only drives his when the weather is good, probably less than a thousand miles a year, does that make it not a street car?
Roll bar or cage: With swing out door bars even a cage can be 100% streetable, it isn't any harder to get in and out than it is without it.
I have driven mine on the street recently, it's perfectly tolerable once you're in but would be nice to have a radio and it could use just a little bit of drivability tuning.
So what makes it NOT a street car?
ASD
Banned
I guess my car is not a street car by some peoples definition? Yeah its more of a show car. Guys no one is going to agree on whats a "true street car" but after going to SCSN in vegas 99% of you are really slow.
This debate can go on forever which is great since I like to hear everyones opinions.
This debate can go on forever which is great since I like to hear everyones opinions.I guess my car is not a street car by some peoples definition? Yeah its more of a show car. Guys no one is going to agree on whats a "true street car" but after going to SCSN in vegas 99% of you are really slow.
Ya, your right. I can't keep up with the crowd. Maybe it's time to let it go?
yello05
New Member
wp331
Member
Uhh did anyone else notice that half the cars on the list for this year made their passes on slicks?Waterpog made his passes on 275 60 15 mt dr's. There aren't any dot approved slicks the last time I checked.
Walterr
Walterr
yello05
New Member
Cubicgator, FE_NUT, and Pog were all running street legal tires at the SCSN (STREET CAR Super Nationals) race, which is where all those numbers came from 
wp331
Member
Don't Smokedu1 and MrsSmokedu1 use slicks? Chung definitely uses slicks ... I'm just saying we are splitting hairs if the cars is licensed for the street and driven on the street its a street car! Whatever else the car has or doesn't have is the owners choice as long as it doesn't mess with street legality. Do ANY of these cars have cats? probably not, so from that angle none of them are street cars.
Walter
Walter
yello05
New Member
I couldnt agree with you more, but the rules for this "top 10" are too basic. we run into the same thing during the Headsup meetings- by allowing one car something, you open the floodgates to other cars that are far outside what is expected when the rules are created.
Vulcans car is a "street car, and it runs 7's. I have SEEN him drive it to Beaverton and back. Now, I know its a Chev, but still.....how would you exclude a car like his that actually see's more miles a year than ASD's show car
Vulcans car is a "street car, and it runs 7's. I have SEEN him drive it to Beaverton and back. Now, I know its a Chev, but still.....how would you exclude a car like his that actually see's more miles a year than ASD's show car
I couldnt agree with you more, but the rules for this "top 10" are too basic. we run into the same thing during the Headsup meetings- by allowing one car something, you open the floodgates to other cars that are far outside what is expected when the rules are created.
Vulcans car is a "street car, and it runs 7's. I have SEEN him drive it to Beaverton and back. Now, I know its a Chev, but still.....how would you exclude a car like his that actually see's more miles a year than ASD's show car
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