I wanna break a Z28

To be honest, you shouldn't do a single thing to your car. Let him burn his gas and let him keep looking like an immature 16 year old kid!! IMO if you try to keep up with every car on the road that revs at you, might as well not drive cause one day you'll come up against a quad turbo Bugatti Veyron or something.

PS- if you do get NO2, don't blow your motor, then the camaro guy will really be a lot faster than you. lol

Dante30 said:

Probably like a 97' or 98' Z28

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This doesn't help since they had the LT1 in 97 and LS1 in 98.

If it's and LS1, you need a power adder and/or GOOD H/C/I.

I'd say it's a drivers race between a 5.0 and LT1. At least in the 1/8...I've never raced one at the 1/4.

95_cobra123 said:

Adam

No disrespecting to them at all it is just the truth our TQ come on allot sooner then theres does so at the 1/8th mile we do stand a better chance...... Been racing at 1/8th mile all my life. and the LS1's will run from 8.9's to 8.4's but there mph is way up. they just dont have the TQ off start not bashing just telling u where we do stand a chance.

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Engine RPM is what determines engine output. Not the speed at which the car is moving or the distance the car has traveled. If the LS1 driver is able to plant his power from the launch, he will eat the mustang in all aspects of the race.

At the track, powerband location doesn't matter because you are in a controlled environment where you can put the car in its powerband. If I have a mustang with a powerband from 4500 to 6500, I'd launch the car at 6K and my tach wouldn't go below 4500. What you're suggesting is that both the mustang and the camaro start at the same RPM. In that case, you're right, because the mustang will reach the power band faster. A competent driver will negate any powerband arguments by starting and keeping their car in its respective powerband the entire length of the run.

Say the mustang has 300 hp at 6K and 300 trq at 4500. Say the LS1 has 350hp at 6500 and 350 trq at 5000. Do you think the mustang and the LS1 will launch at the same RPM? Of course not. Notice that power and torque are given as units according to RPM, not according to which transmission gear they are in or how many horsepower per feet traveled.

Adam

ok yes they could launch at that area and keep it there but lets think if they do that they spin the tires.

Anuf said u dont see my point i dont see urs lol

Black95GTS said:

Engine RPM is what determines engine output. Not the speed at which the car is moving or the distance the car has traveled. If the LS1 driver is able to plant his power from the launch, he will eat the mustang in all aspects of the race.

At the track, powerband location doesn't matter because you are in a controlled environment where you can put the car in its powerband. If I have a mustang with a powerband from 4500 to 6500, I'd launch the car at 6K and my tach wouldn't go below 4500. What you're suggesting is that both the mustang and the camaro start at the same RPM. In that case, you're right, because the mustang will reach the power band faster. A competent driver will negate any powerband arguments by starting and keeping their car in its respective powerband the entire length of the run.

Say the mustang has 300 hp at 6K and 300 trq at 4500. Say the LS1 has 350hp at 6500 and 350 trq at 5000. Do you think the mustang and the LS1 will launch at the same RPM? Of course not. Notice that power and torque are given as units according to RPM, not according to which transmission gear they are in or how many horsepower per feet traveled.

Adam

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Let me start this is not meant to be an insult in any way.......

An old man walks into a bar.... he sees 3 guys talking about all kinds of scientific formulas and physics lessons. He has no idea what they are talking about and is annoyed at their banter. He walks up to them and the following conversation can be heard:

Old Man - You guys are giving me a headache...

One of the 3 men - You're a funny old cuss. You just don't understand science or math. You sir are most likely speaking to 3 of the most intelligent men you will ever meet in your life at one given time. I graduated from MIT. Bob here works for Nasa and IS a rocket scientist. Ivan works for the government, and well I can't tell you his credentials. Now go back and finish you beer and leave us be.

Disgusted the man leaves the bar, while the 3 laugh at him. 20 minutes later the man returns.

Man - I have a wager for you. I just want to see if you are actually smarter than I am.

The three men just laugh at him. Whatever challenge you can come up with, I'm sure we can solve.

Man - You know the bridge down the road? How long will it take a rock to hit the creek below if you drop it from the railing?

Bob - Oh, that's simple physics...

So they all to go the bridge. The 3 "wise men" start asking all kinds of questions. Which rock are we talking about? How far from the railing? Where are you going to stand on the bridge to drop the rock?

The man is confused, but says "well, this rock, I suppose will do. I'll stand here, and hold my arm out like this."

The 3 men start calculating on scratch paper. They have to take educated guesses on the height of the bridge from the creek below. Estimate the wind speeds in the valley and debate a bit amongst themselves on a few details.

The man is getting impatient. Come on.... just spit out a number already.

The 3 men are confident they can come closer than this crazy guy. So after one final look at their page of formulas... they wrote down "the rock in your hand will take 4.6 seconds from the time you let go until we hear a splash. And yes, we calculated the time the sound waves would take to reach your ears."

The man replies - I'm actually quite impressed with your guess. I wrote down it'll take 5 seconds. I too factored in the sound thingy too.

They laugh, assuming he picked a number close to theirs during their debate.

Moment of truth, let's see who's guess is closer.

The man drops the rock and the stopwatch is started. When they hear the splash it is stopped. It took 4.88 seconds.

The 3 men just drop their jaws... and start going over their paper again. The old man just laughs and walks away while they continue to argue.

Finally one of them stops the argument and yells to the guy. "Sir, I apologize for the way we treated you in the bar. Will you PLEASE admit to us you just guessed after overhearing our conversation?"

The old man responded - I don't know a thing about what you boys wrote down on your paper..... nor did any of the numbers you were spouting off make any sense to me.

Bob - then how in the world?

The old man continues - When I left the bar, I came out here and dropped a rock off this bridge and timed it.

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I think I paraphrased this joke correctly. Moral of it is... I can't scientifically explain why many mustangs can beat an f-body off the line and sometimes to the 1/8 but lose terribly to the 1/4 strip. But I do know I've raced a bunch and watched a lot of these races at the track. It's just a pretty common sight.

well they forgot wind restiance....

Yea there was some ass last night at the track with a 99 ss taking smack... but it ran a 14.2 or something like that... and it was an auto.... so my 14.4 made me look good... lol

LOL thats great!!!!

LT1 hits TQ sooner than LS1...325TQ @2000rpm. REAL fun to drive specially if you like to RRRRRRRRRRRRRRR ! It will probably do better in the 1/8th than the LS1 if automatic. QM no. stock..

BTW I was in a 96 SS and it was a DEAD DOG man. I don't understand cause it was nearly new. I think them puters was different from one car to another. The dam thing shifter at 5200 too!

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LOL thats great!!!!

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Sorry it has so many typos... I was in a hurry typing that book out before lunch.

Black95GTS is a very technical guy. And there's nothing wrong with that. He just talks over my head a lot. I'm just a poor art major. However, just because I can't explain a theory doesn't mean I'm always wrong. My video still shots should be more than enough proof. Both cars are automatics (so driver experience isn't as big of an issue) and BOTH cars were running at their full potential. We're good friends, we each REALLY wanted to win.

I clearly did better in the 1/8 AND started out with a slower reaction time. But I lost the race.

Here is the video.... I didn't get the launch in it due to the fade in. I rushed it.
http://www.100mphclub.com/movies/diffman_vs_gcomfx.mov

It's all good, I actually use a similar argument to what you used about throttle body sizing.

I do disagree about personal experiences though. I head up to Epping, although apparently not this year with a 10 inches of snow expected this weekend, and I see F-bodies smack mustangs around all the time.

Maybe things are different with the chevy auto transmission sucking especially hard?? It's also noteworthy that with a 125 shot you instantly gain 200 ft/lbs of torque, which is a variable that has to be considered. I would say that your "powerband" is just a little bit different then normal!!!

Adam

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This doesn't make sense, because if you race someone at an actual strip, both of you will be in your power band the whole time. If yours is at 2000-3500 and his is from 7000-9500, you'll both be where you want to be from start to finish.

The only time the location of the powerband comes into effect is street racing when it MIGHT take an LS1 longer to reach their power band if you jump him unexpectedly from a roll.

More seat time will show you that at the track, LS1s typically own mustangs at the start, middle, and end of the race.

And to everyone else... don't disrespect the ol' Lt-Fun either. They will surprise you.

Adam

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Am I the only one who caught this?? camaro 7000-9500RPM!?!?! Have you been puffing the magic dragon Dude?!?! No street camaro cranks that high even trailer queens will never ever see that high rpm. Anyways I dont care, I dont think those camaros are that fast. If I wanted to use the money in my savings I could take out street camaros if I wanted to, but I wouldnt waste my time or money.

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Am I the only one who caught this?? camaro 7000-9500RPM!?!?! Have you been puffing the magic dragon Dude?!?! No street camaro cranks that high even trailer queens will never ever see that high rpm. Anyways I dont care, I dont think those camaros are that fast. If I wanted to use the money in my savings I could take out street camaros if I wanted to, but I wouldnt waste my time or money.

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I was exaggerating to make a point. I think everyone else caught it.

Adam

A kind of interesting discussion we got going on here

I see what Adam is talking about and agree

I see what Paul is talking about and agree

Again ... its a whole lot about the driver
and
In this case ... some of the outcome could be determined by ......
the default power band of each car

Say both cars got minimum tire spin on launch .......

The Stang will hit his strength before the Chevy
Of course ... The Chevy will be coming on strong very shortly after

Like Adam said ... if both drove to maximize their strength
They would not have launched that way

Like Paul said ... you got what could be ... and you got what is
Most peeps who got a STREET CAR .... don't, can't, or won't .....
Drive it for maximum efficiency in a 1/4 mile situation.

If the Stang driver has the knowledge about all this stuff
and
The Chevy driver has none ... the Stang can have an advantage
but
Only for so long ... as the Chevy has 50 more cubes
and
Those cubes are gonna be strong in the 2nd half of the 1/4 mile

Another thing about STREET CARS is they just suck at the track
if driven as they are on the street

They aren't setup up to launch well at all and can't get any grip
in a situation like that

Usually ... This is what you see in a grudge match situation like
we are talking about here

As I see this deal here ........
Our stock Stang driver should use his knowledge to his advantage
and can do a few things to help his outcome at the track.

I think the maximum gain for the minimum outlay of cash would be ...
For the time being ... Forget power producing parts for the motor.

Get some Nitto's
Practice on the strip ... not the street ... for a decent sixty foot
Shift around 5K as opposed to around 6K

Get the most ... or in this case ... least ... et out of it
With practice ... you'll find a good amount of et reduction

Have some fun
and
Put that evil Chevy to shame

Grady

Black95GTS said:

It's all good, I actually use a similar argument to what you used about throttle body sizing.

I do disagree about personal experiences though. I head up to Epping, although apparently not this year with a 10 inches of snow expected this weekend, and I see F-bodies smack mustangs around all the time.

Maybe things are different with the chevy auto transmission sucking especially hard?? It's also noteworthy that with a 125 shot you instantly gain 200 ft/lbs of torque, which is a variable that has to be considered. I would say that your "powerband" is just a little bit different then normal!!!

Adam

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I also wouldn't have lost. I didn't spray that car. The white f-body in question had a built transmission. He is after all my transmission guy. LOL You can't get a more even shot at a race. He's been a racer for YEARS... he knows what he is doing. He won the bracket race that day.

I told everyone what was going to happen before the race. I could only do that if I had seen it a few times in my life. Well, actually experienced it. I told him he would get me at the end of the race. More cubes plain and simple. Like I said, I'm not the smartest guy in the world, but I am from the "show-me" state.

Black95GTS said:

I was exaggerating to make a point. I think everyone else caught it.

Adam

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.................... my bad..........