• Mustang Forums
  • 2005 - 2014 S-197 Mustang -General/Talk-
  • 2005 - 2009 Specific Tech

Last word on whether Ford can tell if software has ever been changed?

  • Thread starter Thread starter Steves06GT
  • Start date Start date Feb 19, 2006
Prev
  • 1
  • 2
First Prev 2 of 2

red05bullitgt

Member
Aug 15, 2005
861
0
16
Pittsburgh, PA.
Mar 2, 2006
#21
  • Mar 2, 2006
  • #21
CorralOne said:
TGJ is right once cleared there is no way to tell.The code left after the clear is P1000,that just means that all the monitors have to go through a drive cycle to clear the P1000.That can take from 10-100 miles or more depending on how you drive.

I would'nt worry about it much.The dealerships alone dont have the power to void the warrenty.This only happens when a ford inspector is called out for a strange failure and is discovered the owner has modified something.Most dealers dont really care if the mods are kept to a minimum.
Click to expand...
Thanks for all you're support, to both you and TGJ, I'm extremely very grateful
 

Mike97gt

it doe snot
Founding Member
Jan 26, 1999
10,633
7
89
the people's republic of massachusetts
Mar 4, 2006
#22
  • Mar 4, 2006
  • #22
ok this is how it was told to me by a "friend" who works for ford in engineering . I myself am a dealer tech so i am not 100 percent sure about this. but i can say when i went to some stupid svt class a few years back the ford rep said the same thing. thats why i verified this with my "friend"

the dealer can not tell at all. BUT if the motor or something blows up they can access diag stuff we dealer techs can not see. I have seen the Field engineer access different screens i can not access before.
 
V

Viking05

New Member
Feb 15, 2006
8
0
0
Central Florida
Mar 5, 2006
#23
  • Mar 5, 2006
  • #23
Well, I want to bring the car in to have the dealer take a look at my stereo (it won't play CDs.) Should I even bother taking off the CAI and/or putting the stock tune back on? I would hope they wouldn't touch the ECU...
 
1

1fastz

Member
Sep 30, 2005
124
0
16
Mar 5, 2006
#24
  • Mar 5, 2006
  • #24
CorralOne said:
TGJ is right once cleared there is no way to tell.The code left after the clear is P1000,that just means that all the monitors have to go through a drive cycle to clear the P1000.That can take from 10-100 miles or more depending on how you drive.

I would'nt worry about it much.The dealerships alone dont have the power to void the warrenty.This only happens when a ford inspector is called out for a strange failure and is discovered the owner has modified something.Most dealers dont really care if the mods are kept to a minimum.
Click to expand...


WRONG the dealership can and some times will refuse waranty work if it feels your car has been modified ..

mike murillo himself had a 4 month fight with ford over the engine in his brand new 05 f-350 wich went out at 15 k miles !

after parking it with it runing fine he came out and it would not start it had no compresion in any of the cylinders.

It had a cold air intake on it when taken in to the dealer and the dealer had seen a boost gauge and trany temp gauge pod on the A pillar inside and refused to waranty the truck because he suspected the truck had had more mods to it then just that.

in truth it had a edge controller and a nitrous kit on it wich were removed but there was absolutly NO WAY to tell they had ever been on the truck and the problem with the truck were in no way related to them..

however just on the suspicion it had had other mods the dealer refused waranty and murillo had to fight over it for 4 months.

he had to fight for 4-months up through the hierarchy in ford until he finaly got lucky and came across a ford reginal rep for texas who knew of him and his race record and was a fan and they replaced the motor under warranty

if the dealers service manager feels the car is not covered under waranty you have two choices take it to a diff dealer or go higher up with ford but a dealer can and does at time refuse to warranty vehicles.
 

Mike97gt

it doe snot
Founding Member
Jan 26, 1999
10,633
7
89
the people's republic of massachusetts
Mar 6, 2006
#25
  • Mar 6, 2006
  • #25
1fastz said:
WRONG the dealership can and some times will refuse waranty work if it feels your car has been modified ..

mike murillo himself had a 4 month fight with ford over the engine in his brand new 05 f-350 wich went out at 15 k miles !

after parking it with it runing fine he came out and it would not start it had no compresion in any of the cylinders.

It had a cold air intake on it when taken in to the dealer and the dealer had seen a boost gauge and trany temp gauge pod on the A pillar inside and refused to waranty the truck because he suspected the truck had had more mods to it then just that.

in truth it had a edge controller and a nitrous kit on it wich were removed but there was absolutly NO WAY to tell they had ever been on the truck and the problem with the truck were in no way related to them..

however just on the suspicion it had had other mods the dealer refused waranty and murillo had to fight over it for 4 months.

he had to fight for 4-months up through the hierarchy in ford until he finaly got lucky and came across a ford reginal rep for texas who knew of him and his race record and was a fan and they replaced the motor under warranty

if the dealers service manager feels the car is not covered under waranty you have two choices take it to a diff dealer or go higher up with ford but a dealer can and does at time refuse to warranty vehicles.
Click to expand...


correct.. we can refuse to do the work. it is our right, because if we do the motor and ford feels it was abuse guess who is paying for it?? the dealer. dealers don't want to pay for your abused motor
 
N

NorthwestGT

New Member
Jan 11, 2006
177
0
0
Pasco, WA
Mar 6, 2006
#26
  • Mar 6, 2006
  • #26
I'm a little reluctant to take the side of the dealers, but you know they certainly should not pay for a motor (or any other major part) that has been abused. On the other hand, they have an obligation to fix things that legitimately failed. The big problem is how do you tell the difference? The answer in a lot of cases is ....you can't. Even if they did have a magic black box that recorded what color socks you had on at the strip last weekend.

Probably the best way to go is to be straight with your dealer in the belief that there is at least a 50-50 chance that he will be straight with you. If your stereo is broken and you have a CAI. The dealer should of course fix the stereo. If you're asking him to replace a torn K&N filter in the CAI, no dice. But, how about if you've got no mods and you put a connecting rod through the block....no man's land for you and the dealer. Maybe you abused it, maybe not. I wouldn't want to be in the dealer's shoes for that one because as svttech76 says, the dealer may have to hock those shoes if he puts in a new engine.
 

05Torch

New Member
Feb 23, 2006
74
1
0
Harrisburg Oregon
Mar 6, 2006
#27
  • Mar 6, 2006
  • #27
I cant figure out the CAI problems. I couldnt imagine why they would give a crap about one. The dealers here are selling K&N CAI over the counter and installing them. So I guess if you bought it from them and they installed it then it wouldnt be an issue but if I bought one from Summitt then there would be an issue?
 
C

CorralOne

New Member
Feb 26, 2006
17
0
0
Phoenix Arizona
Mar 6, 2006
#28
  • Mar 6, 2006
  • #28
1fastz said:
WRONG the dealership can and some times will refuse waranty work if it feels your car has been modified ..

mike murillo himself had a 4 month fight with ford over the engine in his brand new 05 f-350 wich went out at 15 k miles !

after parking it with it runing fine he came out and it would not start it had no compresion in any of the cylinders.

It had a cold air intake on it when taken in to the dealer and the dealer had seen a boost gauge and trany temp gauge pod on the A pillar inside and refused to waranty the truck because he suspected the truck had had more mods to it then just that.

in truth it had a edge controller and a nitrous kit on it wich were removed but there was absolutly NO WAY to tell they had ever been on the truck and the problem with the truck were in no way related to them..

however just on the suspicion it had had other mods the dealer refused waranty and murillo had to fight over it for 4 months.

he had to fight for 4-months up through the hierarchy in ford until he finaly got lucky and came across a ford reginal rep for texas who knew of him and his race record and was a fan and they replaced the motor under warranty

if the dealers service manager feels the car is not covered under waranty you have two choices take it to a diff dealer or go higher up with ford but a dealer can and does at time refuse to warranty vehicles.
Click to expand...

There is a big differance between a dealer refusing to waranty your or anyones car or truck and a Voided warranty.I've only seen a few.When I run a check on a customers repair history and waranty,a couple of times I'v seen "VOID VOID VIOD"

I will repeat myself and swear dealers do not have the power to VIOD a waranty.
 

bigcat

start with the upper hole, and if more traction is
May 1, 2005
3,015
1
79
7200 feet
Mar 6, 2006
#29
  • Mar 6, 2006
  • #29
some warranty pages say void because the car has a salvaged title. if a car gets salvaged, even with zero miles, the warranty is void.
 
P

Pro Mod

Member
Nov 16, 2005
236
0
16
Wharton, WV
Mar 7, 2006
#30
  • Mar 7, 2006
  • #30
05Torch said:
I cant figure out the CAI problems. I couldnt imagine why they would give a crap about one. The dealers here are selling K&N CAI over the counter and installing them. So I guess if you bought it from them and they installed it then it wouldnt be an issue but if I bought one from SAummitt then there would be an issue?
Click to expand...

The K&N does not require a tune, so it's no big deal for sure.

The fear that most consumers have is with the tune that accompanies most good CAI's.
 
Prev
  • 1
  • 2
First Prev 2 of 2
You must log in or register to reply here.

Similar threads

Place to Avoid: Jamison Auto Group in Gulfport, MS
  • D Durden
  • Oct 20, 2025
  • 1965 - 1973 Classic Mustangs -General/Talk-
  • 2 3
Replies
46
Views
3K
1965 - 1973 Classic Mustangs -General/Talk- Jul 16, 2026
Noobz347
J
Progress Thread Family member 1989 GT- Backstory and updates
  • JRC99
  • Apr 19, 2025
  • 1979 - 1995 (Fox, SN95.0, & 2.3L) -General/Talk-
Replies
15
Views
1K
1979 - 1995 (Fox, SN95.0, & 2.3L) -General/Talk- Oct 26, 2025
JRC99
J
C
Progress Thread 2004 Comp Orange GT
  • ctandc
  • Jun 26, 2023
  • 1996 - 2004 SN95 Mustang -General/Talk-
  • 2 3
Replies
56
Views
5K
1996 - 2004 SN95 Mustang -General/Talk- Jun 1, 2026
ctandc
C
Took some pics, i do really own a mustang...
  • 2000xp8
  • Jun 20, 2023
  • 1979 - 1995 (Fox, SN95.0, & 2.3L) -General/Talk-
  • 6 7 8
Replies
148
Views
19K
1979 - 1995 (Fox, SN95.0, & 2.3L) -General/Talk- Oct 1, 2024
Mustang5L5
Avoid --> BLUEOVALINDUSTRIES.com and this Ford part# VJR3Z-16C630-D. Read Below.........
  • monte87
  • Feb 1, 2022
  • 2015 - 2023 (S550) Mustang -General/Talk
Replies
17
Views
4K
2015 - 2023 (S550) Mustang -General/Talk May 6, 2022
cdog301
Share:
Bluesky Email Share Link
  • Mustang Forums
  • 2005 - 2014 S-197 Mustang -General/Talk-
  • 2005 - 2009 Specific Tech
Menu
Log in

Register

  • Forums
  • What's new
  • Media
  • Resources
  • Contact
  • Sponsor
X

Privacy & Transparency

We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:

  • Personalized ads and content
  • Content measurement and audience insights

Do you accept cookies and these technologies?

X

Privacy & Transparency

We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:

  • Personalized ads and content
  • Content measurement and audience insights

Do you accept cookies and these technologies?