Picture request please - 5-lug conversion using 96+ spindles and SN95 rear axles
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I don't think you will find them. Most people stay away from it Picture a fox with 94-95 spindles...then imagine the front wheels sticking out 8mm more. (5/16")
It's actually 14mm in the front....8mm more than 94-95 spindles which are actually 5mm more than stock fox offset
common misconception
common misconception
No rear brakes AT ALL?
Rear brakes add too much weight to the car. He is trying to go fast!!
Beasty306GT
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Well drums suck and they are parasitic. You can actually pick up anywhere from 5-10 horsepower if not more depending on the size and weight of the drums to the rear wheels. Less rotating mass equals more power. Next time you go to the dyno try it out.
Also when you do alot of braking and drums heat up and the brake fluid expands and they drag like a mother. i have video of when i first started practicing with the car and about after 15 laps when i barely hit the brakes the rears would lock up. Disc brakes can have the same problem but they disapate heat better.
I would like to swap out everything in the rear of a 94-95 so i can have rear disc.
I also run no power steering and no power brakes.
Also when you do alot of braking and drums heat up and the brake fluid expands and they drag like a mother. i have video of when i first started practicing with the car and about after 15 laps when i barely hit the brakes the rears would lock up. Disc brakes can have the same problem but they disapate heat better.
I would like to swap out everything in the rear of a 94-95 so i can have rear disc.
I also run no power steering and no power brakes.
No rear brakes??? That's a dangerous situation waiting to happen.
You can just imagine what happens when the front of the car is trying to stop and the rear wants to keep going.
You can just imagine what happens when the front of the car is trying to stop and the rear wants to keep going.
ChromdOutDubs
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I have 96 gt front spindles and 96 gt 8.8 rear end. Take a look at my sig for pic, if you need more ill post them up...
Yeah, if you've got any other pics that would be great, or pics of the side profile or anything.
ChromdOutDubs
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You CAN run the 96+ spindles no problem. As a matter of fact I just finished a complete 4 lug-to-5 lug, 4 wheel disc brake conversion. I used front spindle/hub assemblies from a 1997 Mustang GT. The front calipers are the 99-2004 PBR Mustang GT brakes, and rear SN95 calipers. I put on new pads and rotors specified for 99-2004. I also went with the North Race Cars Fox Length rear axles, North Race Cars custom backing plates, and new e-brake cables from North Race Cars. Other than having to bend and double flare the rear brake lines that mount to the 8.8 rear and put in an adapter fitting they went on without a hitch.
I did the conversion on my 1988 Mustang GT that while doing the conversion I also installed the Eibach Sportline springs which lowered the car 2 inches. Upper and lower tubular control arms plus a new 8.8 rear end with 3.73 gears.
Tonite was the first time I got to drive since we did this conversion a week ago. The tires DO NOT stick out. The bulge of the sidewall DOES NOT stick out. I see plenty of guys putting on 17x9 Cobra wheels and stretching a 245 on the wheel trying to make it fit and most times seeing this THOSE stick out. I drove the car down twisting back roads over dips above 55, took it down the highway at about 80 - no scrub at all. It is tight and under full lock you may just skim the lip a touch but remember my car is also lowered 2". Most guys go 1-1.25" - you won't rub at all with a 1-1.25" drop even. Stock ride height not any issue. They don't stick out.
I had these same exact wheels and tires on my 1985 Notchback with again 1997 front spindle/hub assemblies with the 1997 smaller calipers. I had C-springs installed (don't like 'em) but the tires sat inside the wheel well where the tire sidewall bulge was just inside the inner lip - perfect in my opinion. Looks nice and tight. No because of the 2" drop I'll see how things go. This car is my daily driver that I put 60 miles a day on. I think once I put the adjustable shocks, struts and Eibach sway bars on the car will tighten up and probably eliminate just about any scrub issue as minimal as it is. If you are real picky about there being absolutely no sign of even the lightest rub - go with the 94-95 spindles if you do a 2" drop. If you do a 1-1.25" drop, don't even worry about it.
The wheels are directly from ford - factory 17x8 bullitt wheels. They are very close to 5.5" backspace, they are a smidge over maybe something like 5.62" B.S. - I will have them off again this weekend to remeasure. As a note, I have over 340 photos of the entire conversion process and i documented everything including part#s for miscellaneous parts such as fittings and brake lines. I covered everything step by step.
Here's a 94-95 spindle/hub compared to a 96+ spindle and hub. You can see the difference. And between these two theres (as mentioned above) about an 8mm difference. The front wheel will be pulled inside the fender about 8mm. If you are running a 9" wide wheel, you HAVE TO run the 94-95s and even then it's very tight.
I will be taking some pics of the car first thing in the AM and I'll take the pics down the side of the car from a low angle close the the front wheel well openings and you can see it and make up your own mind.
John
I did the conversion on my 1988 Mustang GT that while doing the conversion I also installed the Eibach Sportline springs which lowered the car 2 inches. Upper and lower tubular control arms plus a new 8.8 rear end with 3.73 gears.
Tonite was the first time I got to drive since we did this conversion a week ago. The tires DO NOT stick out. The bulge of the sidewall DOES NOT stick out. I see plenty of guys putting on 17x9 Cobra wheels and stretching a 245 on the wheel trying to make it fit and most times seeing this THOSE stick out. I drove the car down twisting back roads over dips above 55, took it down the highway at about 80 - no scrub at all. It is tight and under full lock you may just skim the lip a touch but remember my car is also lowered 2". Most guys go 1-1.25" - you won't rub at all with a 1-1.25" drop even. Stock ride height not any issue. They don't stick out.
I had these same exact wheels and tires on my 1985 Notchback with again 1997 front spindle/hub assemblies with the 1997 smaller calipers. I had C-springs installed (don't like 'em) but the tires sat inside the wheel well where the tire sidewall bulge was just inside the inner lip - perfect in my opinion. Looks nice and tight. No because of the 2" drop I'll see how things go. This car is my daily driver that I put 60 miles a day on. I think once I put the adjustable shocks, struts and Eibach sway bars on the car will tighten up and probably eliminate just about any scrub issue as minimal as it is. If you are real picky about there being absolutely no sign of even the lightest rub - go with the 94-95 spindles if you do a 2" drop. If you do a 1-1.25" drop, don't even worry about it.
The wheels are directly from ford - factory 17x8 bullitt wheels. They are very close to 5.5" backspace, they are a smidge over maybe something like 5.62" B.S. - I will have them off again this weekend to remeasure. As a note, I have over 340 photos of the entire conversion process and i documented everything including part#s for miscellaneous parts such as fittings and brake lines. I covered everything step by step.
Here's a 94-95 spindle/hub compared to a 96+ spindle and hub. You can see the difference. And between these two theres (as mentioned above) about an 8mm difference. The front wheel will be pulled inside the fender about 8mm. If you are running a 9" wide wheel, you HAVE TO run the 94-95s and even then it's very tight.
I will be taking some pics of the car first thing in the AM and I'll take the pics down the side of the car from a low angle close the the front wheel well openings and you can see it and make up your own mind.
John
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ChromdOutDubs
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You are correct, 17x8 and i think they come available on 99-01 gt. Not sure on the offset?
-AJ
Those wheels come on 99-04 Mustang GT's
Premium model for 99-00 and deluxe model for 01-04
One other note about the spindles. The 96-04 spindle is the superior spindle. The geometry is better suited for "spirited" driving and most aftermarker k-member kits recommend their use. The one neg is the offset.
They add 8mm of offset over the 94-95 spindles which add 5mm offset over the stock fox setup. That means if you upgrade from Fox to 96+ spindles you have added 14mm of offset....not 8. Not a big difference. There was a thread on Corral.net a while back where a Ford engineer posted cad drawings to confirm the numbers.
Premium model for 99-00 and deluxe model for 01-04
One other note about the spindles. The 96-04 spindle is the superior spindle. The geometry is better suited for "spirited" driving and most aftermarker k-member kits recommend their use. The one neg is the offset.
They add 8mm of offset over the 94-95 spindles which add 5mm offset over the stock fox setup. That means if you upgrade from Fox to 96+ spindles you have added 14mm of offset....not 8. Not a big difference. There was a thread on Corral.net a while back where a Ford engineer posted cad drawings to confirm the numbers.
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