Build Thread '83 T-top Coupe - Welding Holes in My Rear

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Just remember Dave,....

For every cool freaking car like the one posted above, 7 out of 10 will criticize the end result, because the body was molested.

Whether you add flares, or go the wide body additions to the existing sheet metal...

70 percent of the mustang community will dog the car, regardless of the work you put in it.

The rest of the open minded minority are members here.

My red car got killed by the greater percentage of online "critics" .i always heard " Not my cup of tea but"....from over 2/3rds of the people that even bothered to comment.
The other 1/3rd that tolerates body modifications will love your car if it comes out looking like the car in the pics above.

Just depends on how thick your skin is.

As for me,....I'll admit it. I've said it before.

I build a car to not get criticized by the majority.:banana:
Yeah screw ‘em Mike. I’m saving this car from returning to nature.
 
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The only thing i don't like about Maier racing flares is what it does to the body molding line. That's why I'd love to see a true wide body mustang.
 
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Classic example of a tire NOT in the wheel tub.
Pics of a tire sidewall even with the wheel lip are not under the car,...they stick out.

May as well be the 70's, Get yourself some Gabriel High jackers, and some N 50 15's if you call the above stance "tires inside", cause w/o those bogus flares, this is what you have...

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Hey Jeeter! Look-a-here what I just done did!
 
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To those touting the merits of IRS, and take it easy on me here because there's no malice intended, part of me wonders how big the difference on the street really is vs. a softly spring SRA. My only points of reference with IRS are the C5 Corvette I owned, and my Saturn SL2, LOL. I mean, the C5 was a fine car to drive on the streets, but I don't remember thinking it was a night and day difference for a daily driver. Unfortunately, I never went back to back at the limit on a track with rough pavement to cement the differing feel of SRA vs. IRS in my mind. My old track day setup was the Steed G-trac setup on my '91 with c-springs was pretty stiff. Now, with the coil-overs on both, I have to say that the difference between my '91 and '93 (both SRA) is staggering. Of course, I wouldn't pretend that IRS isn't better where it clearly shines, on rough roads at the limits of handling. However, for daily cruising, it was pretty eye opening just how nice a 3-link MM coil-over car with decently soft springs can be. The '91 is 4 link, drag-oriented with some stiff springs, and perhaps poorly adjusted shocks, but it the rear makes me wince/grit my teeth on bumpy roads. It's so rough, I actually intend to test the shocks to make sure one of them hasn't seized up. However, the '93 glides over pavement barely registering the bumps. I think it's 275# springs up front and unknown in the rear.

I remember reading how Griggs likes to set his SLA (short-long arm, as opposed to strut) front-end cars up with softer suspension which helps correct the understeer issue. That's getting cake and eating it as it not only improves the unbalanced handling but also helps soak up bumps.
 
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Posts 3712, 3713, 3724 and 3774 give you the info to dial in 17 by 10's on 285's at the back without any tubbing.

Do that first. Zero off your costs, Dave.

Before I wrecked my 81, I measured up Ferrari Testa Rossa 240's and 280/45VR415 Michelin TRX's, a tire a lot wider than the indicated width. Its basically the same as quadra shocking it for space, since its uses the inner stabilizer shocker mounts.

Everything fitted in with stock parts except the rear needed thin bolts and 6.5 mm spacers to clear the modified 16 x 10's. (Down hand Welded by adding aluminum by TIG...It's only 170 thou max of welded in metal, and a release angle taper to turn an Imperial 16 x 10 wheel into a Metric TRX 415 TR255. I got the tires from a Ferrari TR).

Everything Nissan Skyline (based on the 240SX platform) is pretty much ET35, or 6.88 back space at a 10 Inch wheel size. They look great on Cobras, and you don't have any of the crazy lard a$$ wheel eyebrows like Ford added to the New Edges. Everyone want to copy them down to the Four Eyes and Aeros, and thats cool if thats your bag, but flares are so Wooden and boring, IMHO. They can look awesome, but its gotta suit. I like IMSA's and some M81's, but some flares don't gell with me. Your car, your itch to scrathc, YRMV. You gotta own it Dave. Royal Order of the Box Head....


The extra tire space comes from the removal of the Curved Y tube upright, and Ford made the U section that way to absorb side impacts as well as using the exiting Quad shocker mounting bolts as found on 84-1/2 onwards Mustangs and Capris, and the S shell Tbirds and Cougars.

The anti roll bar relocation is easy, and the upper U tube mount is just the way it is so that FoMoCo didn't have to redrill another Fox frame rail. You can shift the Upper U tube inwards, and the upper and lower gusset could be made inbox section and frame mounted another way.. I'd say that a forged alloy component that mounted on a slip tube over the left and right fram rail would make another 25 mm of tire width. Canting coil overs inwards would make a lot more room than just 305's, and you could make the chassis rails a plinth to hold a cut down Upper U tube.

For example, when Ford Australia slapped the IRS into the Falcon 1998, it used the 1982 Watts Link Coil spring frame rails, and the same kind of IRS.

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The ages old leaf spring front eyelet was used to hold the lower control arm with the six link Watts linkage, coil spring axle. The IRS conversion used the same basic pressing, and the IRS cradle was held with an additional mount between the old SRA's two upper and lower arm "eyelets"


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Ford of Australian and FoMoCo in the USA had differing axle centers, with differing frames, and there is no real way to ever standardise on one set of components. In a similar way, even with similar 7.5 or 8.8" diff centers, everything in the MN12, Explorer and New Edge Stang IRS weren't in any way similar to each other, or the 1998-2002 or 2003-2016 Falcon IRS systems. Anytime Ford in any country tried to standadise parts, the application then became massively expensive.

The 1998-2002 uses AVO 15" coil overs, kinda like Carmicheal Angelo's, and a compact 7.5-7-7/8-8" 9 bolt Camaro G52 center made from ancient patents dating back to 1966 by Borg Warner Australia for the Chrysler Valiant and Aussie 1966 Falcon. Its the same size as the 7.5" axle center used in some MN12's. The whole shotting match is easily fitted up to a Factory Five Cobra,

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Note Dave that it uses angled inwards spring damper units, a forward mounted anti roll bar, and you need to just think do minimum to kick start a good IRS.

The Aussie IRS still uses non solid mountings.
 
Last comment was just in fun.

To make the quarters look like that flare I will have to cut the skin off and mini tub the outer tub with a taper leading to the rockers. Then I’ll start fitting the original skin back to it. Trim here and there, split parts of the panel and patch, patch, patch.

It won’t be a new skin I’m making, I’ll be heavily modifying the original.

I've got a welder, garage, and spare bedroom for you to practice your skills on my car before you tackle your own... I like the weld on half flares like on the grey vert, that guy had a build thread on Corral about it and said while it took some work to get them on properly he loved them.
 
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I'd thought someone had dug him out of another forum. :chin



From, A-hem, two other Ford forums who will remain nameless (Fordsix and Fep, but I won't tell you who it was, oppps, dang)....I followed Mike home, but it was the guidance of Big Marjory (aka Large Marge) that sent me here. It all happened when I was looking for some custom Four Eyed lights for my Datsun Lil Hustler...



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.but that's a PIece of Another Story Stangnetters....
 
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