04 SVT Cobra vs. 04 Sti

[RyClef331]

First off car and driver means Nothing in the performance world.

271hp/273tq Lancer evo 8
390hp/390tq Cobra

Both cool cars, both very well tuned for what they are. Equal drivers, the cobra wins...period.
Both have the ability to be upgraded so that argument is pointless. But For track use...a set nitto's on the cobra totally blow the AWD advantage.
It would be easier to put rear tires on the cobra than to up the EVO (roughly)~120hp to match the Cobra.
Really it comes down to drivers, but 99% of the videos and races i have seen, the cobra comes out on top...take your pick, i like the cobra

Ok first off who the hell even brought up the Evo? NOONE EXCEPT YOU b/c I believe we were comparing a 390hp Cobra to a 300hp STi....NOT a 271hp Evolution 8 but since you did...being that the engine in the EVO 8 (the venerable 4G63) has been around for almost 15 years in turbo form and has proven itself time and time again, get your freakin' nittos on your precious cobra, swap your pullies, and turn off your traction control ....for my money, you can't buy a better handling car with JUST AS MUCH upgrade potential as an 03-04 corba than an EVO 8....but I believe we're comparing stock for stock...in that case, the Cobra got fu**ing worked in every event except acceleration. Go for it...flame away. I don't own one...I have a 94 GT which i love but I'm not some ignorant prick like half the members of this board are sometimes.

Like this.

"If a Cobra is a tad quicker, it might as well win by a mile. Most who will own an Sti probably won't be able to drive it well. Instead of learning to drive quick and smooth, they'll be too busy farting around with wings, stickers, neon lights, and other crap." - Car Nut

You are a perfect example of the ignorance on this forum. An STi isn't some highschool punk's civic (Honda guys on here...please don't get me messed up...i've seen them fly too) so don't brush it to the side as a waste of your time b/c more than likely, I'd bet that half the members of this entire forum are a waste of an STi's time. Don't sell that car short, its a refined $30,000 sports car that has won numerous races all around the world without changing much from the factory platform (ever watch world rally cross?) much like the cobra.

 

[Gearbanger 101]

When did an STi go 13.0? I've never seen one run that fast stock? MM&FF did however get 12.7 out of a bone stock Cobra Convertible.

 

[onesticker]

Ok first off who the hell even brought up the Evo? NOONE EXCEPT YOU b/c I believe we were comparing a 390hp Cobra to a 300hp STi....NOT a 271hp Evolution 8 but since you did...being that the engine in the EVO 8 (the venerable 4G63) has been around for almost 15 years in turbo form and has proven itself time and time again, get your freakin' nittos on your precious cobra, swap your pullies, and turn off your traction control ....for my money, you can't buy a better handling car with JUST AS MUCH upgrade potential as an 03-04 corba than an EVO 8....but I believe we're comparing stock for stock...in that case, the Cobra got fu**ing worked in every event except acceleration. Go for it...flame away. I don't own one...I have a 94 GT which i love but I'm not some ignorant prick like half the members of this board are sometimes.

Like this.

"If a Cobra is a tad quicker, it might as well win by a mile. Most who will own an Sti probably won't be able to drive it well. Instead of learning to drive quick and smooth, they'll be too busy farting around with wings, stickers, neon lights, and other crap." - Car Nut

You are a perfect example of the ignorance on this forum. An STi isn't some highschool punk's civic (Honda guys on here...please don't get me messed up...i've seen them fly too) so don't brush it to the side as a waste of your time b/c more than likely, I'd bet that half the members of this entire forum are a waste of an STi's time. Don't sell that car short, its a refined $30,000 sports car that has won numerous races all around the world without changing much from the factory platform (ever watch world rally cross?) much like the cobra.

You're an idiot. If half this board is made up of "ignorant pricks" then don't sign on. Just go away, far away.

 

[Rootus]

The only way an STi can keep up with a Cobra is if the STi does a clutch-dump launch. On the street, a Cobra will absolutely kill the STi. On the track it would be a little closer if the Cobra is on street tires and the STi does an AWD clutch-dump launch.

If you want to compare how fast they are for "typical" drivers, look at 5-60 instead of 0-60, it's a better measurement for everyday performance. And in 5-60 the Cobra is about a second faster than the STi.

Dave

 

[95_cobra123]

First OF all the STI is not a sports car to understand the meaning of a sports car Pal.... it would be a rear wheel drive car.... Also it can only be a 2 dr. Dont get me wrong i love Turbo's over superchargers anyday thats why i am goign with one on my car. Any Ways If your goign to smack on cobras and peeps that own mustangs go do it at you local RICER SHOP pal. It take about half the cost to mod a v8 comp. to a 4cyl. I dont like eather car i am a die hard 5.0 fan and i think they should get rid of the 4.6 and go back to the 5.0 ! And i dont like STi's cause most of the people i know that own one are such jerks. And i am gessing they act like you. So BACK OFF and go to you Ricer forum and i am gessing that ur 94 gt is riced out and no mods i dont even want to scroll down and see if you have it listed but i will gess off of your atitude it is...........

 

[Black95GTS]

Guys... stop light to stoplight is a really tough call. You wanna talk about a street sleeper? Don't get the hideous gold rims, and take off your WRX and STi emblems, and put on the normal wing and it will look like a 200 hp daily driver. Try pulling that off in a Cobra, ain't gonna happen.

Naturally I'd rather have a cobra, but wouldn't we all. Numbles is right to respect this car.

 

[go-stang5.0]

Wow I had no idea STI's were that fast...oh well time for more traction.

 

[jasonlee0704]

I have NEVER heard of an bone stock STi pulling a 13.0 on the 1/4.

Go ahead, Google up some ricer/tuner forums, even they consider a 13.3 a good driver time for a stock STi. There was a huge argument over in the 2005 forums b/c some ricer wannabe said the STi would run high 12s stock with a good driver. Of course, he could never back it up, with a name or a track, and I don't think he's been back since.

 

[mr_woodster]

Ok first off who the hell even brought up the Evo? NOONE EXCEPT YOU b/c I believe we were comparing a 390hp Cobra to a 300hp STi....NOT a 271hp Evolution 8

It was late, read it wrong! First off you need to chill out. This board has alot of smart people and reading through your post you dont come accross as one of them. If you read through the numerous post here, you find how little you know, and your post count really reflects that. So, PULL your head out of your butt, no one is ripping the sti, especially not me....credit was payed where credit was due....chill out.

 

[Road_Runna]

Yeah, my dream car is an 04 svt cobra. I just looks so 'Mean'. Yeah, ur right the cobra has a lot more power potential. X or H pipe and an exhaust, pullies, mass air, and your easily over 400hp.

All you need is a TB to get 400hp at the crank, but if you wan't 400 at the wheels then that setup is about right.

 

[Gearbanger 101]

All you need is a TB to get 400hp at the crank, but if you wan't 400 at the wheels then that setup is about right.

You don't even need that.....most stock Cobra's dyno right around 350-360rwhp. That's just a hair over 405hp. I've even seen one dyno as high as 368rwhp stock right down to the air filter. Ford seriously underated these engines!

 

[RyClef331]

First OF all the STI is not a sports car to understand the meaning of a sports car Pal.... it would be a rear wheel drive car.... Also it can only be a 2 dr. Dont get me wrong i love Turbo's over superchargers anyday thats why i am goign with one on my car. Any Ways If your goign to smack on cobras and peeps that own mustangs go do it at you local RICER SHOP pal. It take about half the cost to mod a v8 comp. to a 4cyl. I dont like eather car i am a die hard 5.0 fan and i think they should get rid of the 4.6 and go back to the 5.0 ! And i dont like STi's cause most of the people i know that own one are such jerks. And i am gessing they act like you. So BACK OFF and go to you Ricer forum and i am gessing that ur 94 gt is riced out and no mods i dont even want to scroll down and see if you have it listed but i will gess off of your atitude it is...........

Understand the meaning of sports car is a 2 dr rearwheel drive car...ok I'll give 2 doors but rearwheel drive is just plain dumb. Think about how many exotics are awd. and for everyon's information PAL, I own a Mustang, have always own nothing BUT american made V-8s, and it will be that way for a long time. All I'm saying is the dude asked who we thought would win...it being a Mustang Board, I can understand its is going to be biased. I just believe the opposite of the majority and I think the majority needs to open their eyes. F**king sue me. Stock for stock I've made my arguement on the subject. Oh and as for my mod list...its lengthy, none of which are for rice.

Aftermarket, you guys need to open your eyes. These (STi's) cars weight damn near 3,000lbs flat. Turbocharger technology is increasing and the prices are dropping. Think about that. The only thing that the Cobra has going for it in terms of ease of modification is that pulley swap...which in order to prevent a lean condition requires a dyno tune. Once you max out that stock eaton, you gotta upgrade! Sti...same way only with a twist...want more boost? get a 80 buck boost controller OR make one with the **** you can get at a fish tank store for $10...its all the same. Max out your turbo? A single turbo head unit and the appropriate flanges for a car already equipped for a turbo is going to be WAY less than your Apten Ported Eaton or a Kenne Bell.

We're not in the days of the 5.0 anymore where is costs nothing to mod these cars but it isn't an arm and a leg for either. All my point really is here ladies and gentlemen is this...

There is more than one way to fly.

Now if you'll exscuse me, I'm going to my local RICER SHOP to talk about you all behind your back.

 

[Steeda90GT]

The only, and I mean ONLY reason why the STI can pull a 13.0 is because of AWD/Clutch dumps. Anything over 5mph and the Cobra will out motor it and put MULTIPLE LENGTHS on the STI, case closed. And on top of that 13.0 is considered an EXCELLENT, not very common time for the STI.

I'm assuming the 12.9 and 13.0 times came from the C&D article last year. Did you happen to look at mph and 1000ft numbers?? I love how they post the best possible for the STI and only avg numbers for the Cobra. Do some research, let's not compare apples to oranges here. On avg an STI will hit mid 13s, Cobra will go low 13s..this seems to be the 'norm' with AVERAGE drivers and AVERAGE conditions.

So to answer the original poster's question...given equal drivers (both superior drivers) starting from 0-on the STI will be ahead, then the Cobra will start pulling NOTICEABLY (Sort of like how when a stock 5.0 and stock Fbody race...after 60-70mph the Fbody just OWNS the 5.0)

So.....

From a dead stop, the STI will pull ahead then the Cobra will eventually OWN it (around 60mph or so)

From 5mph - on, the Cobra will shame the STI.

Nontheless, both are great automobiles and provide excellent bang for the buck and an awesome foundation for future mods...you choose your flavor.

 

[Gearbanger 101]

Aftermarket, you guys need to open your eyes. These (STi's) cars weight damn near 3,000lbs flat. Turbocharger technology is increasing and the prices are dropping. Think about that. The only thing that the Cobra has going for it in terms of ease of modification is that pulley swap...which in order to prevent a lean condition requires a dyno tune. Once you max out that stock eaton, you gotta upgrade!

I dunno.....A Cobra with a pulley swap, CAI and unfettered exhaust system is making roughly 500fwhp. I don’t consider a CAI and exhaust swap that tough and cars with pulley swaps still seem to be well within the safe A/F ratio. It's not as tough as you think to make these Eatons breath!

 

[onesticker]

Understand the meaning of sports car is a 2 dr rearwheel drive car...ok I'll give 2 doors but rearwheel drive is just plain dumb. Think about how many exotics are awd. and for everyon's information PAL, I own a Mustang, have always own nothing BUT american made V-8s, and it will be that way for a long time. All I'm saying is the dude asked who we thought would win...it being a Mustang Board, I can understand its is going to be biased. I just believe the opposite of the majority and I think the majority needs to open their eyes. F**king sue me. Stock for stock I've made my arguement on the subject. Oh and as for my mod list...its lengthy, none of which are for rice.

Aftermarket, you guys need to open your eyes. These (STi's) cars weight damn near 3,000lbs flat. Turbocharger technology is increasing and the prices are dropping. Think about that. The only thing that the Cobra has going for it in terms of ease of modification is that pulley swap...which in order to prevent a lean condition requires a dyno tune. Once you max out that stock eaton, you gotta upgrade! Sti...same way only with a twist...want more boost? get a 80 buck boost controller OR make one with the **** you can get at a fish tank store for $10...its all the same. Max out your turbo? A single turbo head unit and the appropriate flanges for a car already equipped for a turbo is going to be WAY less than your Apten Ported Eaton or a Kenne Bell.

We're not in the days of the 5.0 anymore where is costs nothing to mod these cars but it isn't an arm and a leg for either. All my point really is here ladies and gentlemen is this...

There is more than one way to fly.

Now if you'll exscuse me, I'm going to my local RICER SHOP to talk about you all behind your back.

Are you still here? By the way I have raced STI's and Evo's and they are very impressive. It's just that you are on a Mustang dedicated forum so what kind of reaction do you think you are going to get by making the statements you do? You have insulted the majority of the readers by bashing them. Think twice before calling people in their own backyard "ignorant" or any other derogatory names. Now go away and have a nice day.

 

[yellow1995Cobra]

Ok first off who the hell even brought up the Evo? NOONE EXCEPT YOU b/c I believe we were comparing a 390hp Cobra to a 300hp STi....NOT a 271hp Evolution 8 but since you did...being that the engine in the EVO 8 (the venerable 4G63) has been around for almost 15 years in turbo form and has proven itself time and time again, get your freakin' nittos on your precious cobra, swap your pullies, and turn off your traction control ....for my money, you can't buy a better handling car with JUST AS MUCH upgrade potential as an 03-04 corba than an EVO 8....but I believe we're comparing stock for stock...in that case, the Cobra got fu**ing worked in every event except acceleration. Go for it...flame away. I don't own one...I have a 94 GT which i love but I'm not some ignorant prick like half the members of this board are sometimes.

Like this.

"If a Cobra is a tad quicker, it might as well win by a mile. Most who will own an Sti probably won't be able to drive it well. Instead of learning to drive quick and smooth, they'll be too busy farting around with wings, stickers, neon lights, and other crap." - Car Nut

You are a perfect example of the ignorance on this forum. An STi isn't some highschool punk's civic (Honda guys on here...please don't get me messed up...i've seen them fly too) so don't brush it to the side as a waste of your time b/c more than likely, I'd bet that half the members of this entire forum are a waste of an STi's time. Don't sell that car short, its a refined $30,000 sports car that has won numerous races all around the world without changing much from the factory platform (ever watch world rally cross?) much like the cobra.

I thought we were comparing 1/4 mile times stock vs stock, at the track?

Your too much man, i cant stop laughing at your two posts in this thread.

 

[WhiteStallionGT]

Man... I didn't know I'd spark so many flames. But the true personality of people will come out eventually. Yeah, and I do think C&D are baggin on our mustangs, but what can you do. The Cobra would catch it after the launch, CASE CLOSED. Thanks for the replies.

 

[RyClef331]

Are you still here? By the way I have raced STI's and Evo's and they are very impressive. It's just that you are on a Mustang dedicated forum so what kind of reaction do you think you are going to get by making the statements you do? You have insulted the majority of the readers by bashing them. Think twice before calling people in their own backyard "ignorant" or any other derogatory names. Now go away and have a nice day.

Why don't you go away? Take your a$$ back to the 4.6 Section with all your other cammer cronies and sit there and explain to them why they only gained 8hp after their underdrives, flows, and a k&n were installed. On a mustang forum...thanks for the enlightenment. I previously stated that I expected the favorite to be the Mustang, but I didn't expect the bashing that ensued just b/c its not a V-8 Rear Wheel Drive. Regardless, this one thread isn't going to make me go anywhere, sorry to disappoint.

 

[onesticker]

I'm not disappointed. Every village needs an idiot and you fill the spot nicely. Keep up the good work buddy.

 

[xdionx]

To all who think that the Subaru STi is just a riced out car for punks that can't drive...you are wrong and are just being quite ignorant. I have driven both cars at the track and I know that an SVT will own a STi all day in a straight line. If you bought a mustang you are looking for the muscle car look, feel, power and maybe a few other reasons. Your car is made to go fast in a straight line...on the other hand the purpose of a WRX STi was never to just go continuously in a straight line. When a car is said to be rally bred it means that it works in that place in the world where its not sunny and dry all the time. Things like snow, dirt, mud and rain do not scare you because you know your AWD will pull you through along with your great handling. On the other hand if you are a mustang owner, winter is your car's favorite time of the year because it gets to sit in the garage and stay warm. As for handling...I would like to see a SVT try to even come close to out handling an STi any day. Basically you are trying to compare two cars that were designed for opposite reasons. As for the fact that STi owners are jerks...so are mustang owers as well. I always get mustang owners giving me the middle finger for no reason or trying to race me on a nice crowded highway where its nice and dangerous but I don't blame all mustang owners just the ones that are driving dangerously. I guess my point is that you are comparing two cars that were both designed for different reasons. Grow up and realize that both cars are nice cars and that to each his own