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How can I get my hp and keep my warranty?

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2K1GtfromSC

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For what is worth....
Can an automotive dealership void your warranty?
Understanding the Magnuson-Moss Warranty act of 1975.

Nearly everyone has heard about someone who has taken a vehicle that has been modified with aftermarket parts to a dealer for warranty service, only to have the dealer refuse to cover the defective items. The dealer usually states that because of the aftermarket parts the warranty is void, without even attempting to determine whether the aftermarket part caused the problem.

This is illegal.

Vehicle manufacturers are not allowed to void the vehicle warranty just because aftermarket parts are on the vehicle. To better understand this problem it is best to know the differences between the two types of new car warranties and the two types of emission warranties.

When a vehicle is purchased new and the owner is protected against the faults that may occur by an expressed warranty - an offer by the manufacturer to assume the responsibility for problems with predetermined parts during a stated period of time. Beyond the expressed warranty, the vehicle manufacturer is often held responsible for further implied warranties. These state that a manufactured product should meet certain standards. However, in both cases, the mere presence of aftermarket parts doesn't void the warranty.

There are also two emission warranties (defect and performance) required under the clean air act. The defect warranty requires the manufacturer to produce a vehicle which, at the time of sale, is free of defects that would cause it to not meet the required emission levels for it's useful life as defined in the law. The performance warranty implies a vehicle must maintain certain levels of emission performance over it's useful life. If the vehicle fails to meet the performance warranty requirements, the manufacturer must make repairs at no cost to the owner, even if an aftermarket part is directly responsible for a warranty claim, the vehicle manufacturer cannot void the performance warranty. This protection is the result of a parts self - certification program developed by the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) and the Specialty Equipment Market Association (SEMA).

In cases where such a failed aftermarket part is responsible for a warranty claim, the vehicle manufacturer must arrange a settlement with the part manufacturer, but by law the new - vehicle warranty is not voided.

Overall, the laws governing warranties are very clear. The only time a new vehicle warranty can be voided is if an aftermarket part has been installed and it can be proven that it is responsible for an emission warranty claim. However, a vehicle manufacturer or dealership cannot void a warranty simply because an an aftermarket equipment has been installed on a vehicle.

If a dealership denies a warranty claim and you think the claim falls under the rules explained above concerning the clean air act (such as an emission part failure), obtain a written explanation of the dealers refusal. Then follow the steps outlined in the owners manual. However, if this fails, then phone your complaint in to the EPA at (202) 233-9040 or (202) 326-9100.


http://www.treasurestate.com/diesel/mmwa.htm
 
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If your dealer gives you a hard time about mods it is time to find a mod-friendly dealer. I switched dealers after the one I purchased my car from wanted me to charge me $950 for a gear install (including parts) and have me sign an offroad only statement.

I knew I found the right dealer service center when the service manager asked me what I did to my clutch. I responded that I have not touched it. He told me that it is one of the best clutches he has ever seen in a Mustang, much better than the one in his 03 Cobra. He then went on to show me his heavily modified 03 Cobra.
 
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GinoGT

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I've heard SVT dealers are usually a little more mod friendly.
 

BullittStangV8

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my local dealership that i take it to is a SVT dealership, and they gave me cr*p about my headers and x pipe. so imho, svt isnt any better. with that said, my engine still hasnt been opened up, and the pullies and comp are stock, but the exaust and intake are fully modded. So i understand why they would void my warentee if i blew the engine if it was linked to one of my mods. othewise, i would fight it to the death if my mod was not the cause of the problem.
Mike
 

Venom4.6

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GinoGT said:
I've heard SVT dealers are usually a little more mod friendly.
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In my experiences they are.
 

yellow5.0cobra

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My nearest SVT dealership(5min away), CAN sometimes be friendly about mods, depending how you talk to him. He isnt the kind into Mustangs though.

I guess its a hit or miss.
 

neoclasiccl

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Wow this is an old thread
 
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I guess my dealer is cool. They said that I could do any bolts on on the car as long as I don't mess with the engine internally like cams and such..
 
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Does the supercharger void my new vehicle warranty? No. It is against Federal Law for a Dealer to refuse a warranty claim because an aftermarket product has been installed on your vehicle. If a warranty is denied, contact the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) at (202) 260-2080 or www.epa.gov or the Federal Trade Commission (FTC) at (202) 326-3128 or www.ftc.gov. Additional information is available at the SEMA (Specialty Equipment Manufacturers Association) website www.sema.org. Kenne Bell is a member of SEMA
 
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The supercharger will not void your warranty, but if you have any kind of drivetrain problem after you install the supercharger you won't get a dealership to honor your warranty. You might get one that will take the car apart to see if the problem was caused by the supercharger, but if they decide it was then you will have to pay for their work to that point and for the repair. Your only recourse would be to hire an attorney at that point. If you put a supercharger or any other power adder on your car, be prepared to pay for any engine/transmission/drivetrain problems you might have in the future.

montster01 said:
Does the supercharger void my new vehicle warranty? No. It is against Federal Law for a Dealer to refuse a warranty claim because an aftermarket product has been installed on your vehicle. If a warranty is denied, contact the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) at (202) 260-2080 or www.epa.gov or the Federal Trade Commission (FTC) at (202) 326-3128 or www.ftc.gov. Additional information is available at the SEMA (Specialty Equipment Manufacturers Association) website www.sema.org. Kenne Bell is a member of SEMA
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WOW!!! Havent seen this thread in a long time . Speaking of mods that will give you 15-50hp and will keep you warrenty friendly... go with a K&N air Filter, and a catted mid pipe with a good cat back system. This will give you the grunt and sound you are looking for
 
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Are chips detectable by dealerships even if you remove them before you go in?
 
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03gtmustang

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Yeah this is an old thread. I was surpised to see people posting in it. But for all you guys that did post in it, check out my sig. Oh and yes, the dealership can detect if you have a chip even if you take it out.
 
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BLUE03GT

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the few FORD dealerships ive been to sell flowmaster cat-backs and K&N filters n stuff...
 

Beau

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this thread just won't die!
 

NasaGT

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this thread. Look at that - its still alive.
 
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