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2Blue2's 1977 Cobra2 Driveway Build

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Enzio

Dang it. I was hoping mine would get 3 more inches
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You may have to try and rebuild it. If you know someone with a press.
 
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Second ordered PS pump is here!

So out of the car with the old and tear it apart.



Clean everything up good.
Housing Before + After

 
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2Blue2

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Pulley Puller in action.


Significant part numbers

Pully 5Z-AIA, Motor Bracket Has an an actual D7Z number; D7ZA-?C-511-AA

The pump bracket only had a S on it. Pump Back together and on to spray painting.


As soon as it is dry.....
 
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2Blue2

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This new pump is supposed to have the 'Slipper Internals' upgrade.
Not sure what that means but it sounds good.

Old pump you can feel the notchy ratcheting semi frozen bearing when turning by hand

Best part is i get to keep the old parts number tag on the back of pump (but can't find the picture of it now.)
 
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Frist drive went good

No more front passenger tire clacking at slow speeds.
Seems smooth as can be.

Second drive was to alignment shop.

Waiting her turn and on the Rack! Note Red Lasers( had to shoot multiple pics to get em while firing)


Alignment Tech said he couldn't align it cuze the steering wasn't centered.
He looked to be 20 yrs old. I said it should be easy toe adjustment and not to worry about steering wheel.
But he wouldn't.

So on the second trip to alignment shop, same machine different guy, he says no problem and was done in 15 min after starting.

What occurred was;
Old rack was 3.5 turns Lock to Lock,
New rack is 3 turns Lock to Lock.
It clocks the D-shaft to a different location than stock. Took it home and with a quick adjustment with the steering wheel puller,
All good except now it rubs on rim at full Left lock.
Got to jack em up and grind offending metal out of the way
 
Last edited: Jan 12, 2021
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LILCBRA

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I'm pretty sure you could also install some limiters on the rack and you'd eliminate the problem that way. Either way will work though.
 
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Adieu

Easy there, this ain't a dating site.
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2Blue2 said:
Alignment Tech said he couldn't align it cuze the steering wasn't centered.
He looked to be 20 yrs old. I said it should be easy toe adjustment and not to worry about steering wheel.
But he wouldn't.
Click to expand...
That guy needs to go back to Iffy Lube.
 
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2Blue2

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I cant remember the first time I appreciated a good mechanic with experience,
but I did yesterday for sure.
 
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Enzio

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What is rubbing on the rim?
 
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extra_stout

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My crystal ball tells me, that it is the upper control arm.
 
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extra_stout said:
it is the upper control arm.
Click to expand...


Yup
 

Enzio

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The same as the drivers side. Got it.
 
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2Blue2 said:
Yup
Click to expand...
Seems my crystal ball is working alright.

What alignment are you running on your car?
 
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2Blue2

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extra_stout said:
What alignment are you running on your car?
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Yo Extra_Stout (Love that name)
Heres the papers from both recent trips to Alignment shop
First one don't count(before measurement only) as they didn't align it.
Second was only a toe adjustment .
Hope this helps some.

 
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Are you happy with the handling?
I'm wondering a bit, that you have 1° difference in caster from left to right. Does the car pull to one side, when braking?
What is good on your setup, is that you are near zero regarding camber. I checked the shop manual and it says that camber should be more like 1° positive. Not sure why, but it seems that this is related to the tires that where use back than. My research (and experience on my 66 coupe) is that more like -0.5° to -1° camber is suitable for modern tires, if handling is more important than wear.
I found a post from Alcino (seems he knows what he is doing), where he says he is running -1.5° camber and +4° caster.
I want to do the alignment in the next days/weeks and I'm not 100% sure what I want to setup initial.
At the moment the left front tire has -1° camber and it looks nice. So I think at the moment I will target for -1° camber and +3° of caster.
If any one has ideas to that, please let me know
 

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I did another round of google fu and it seems that since I was looking for info about the suspension there was an article on Mustang II suspension setup:
https://www.onallcylinders.com/2018...-front-suspension-to-be-performance-friendly/
Seems that I'm on the right direction. But lets see if my adjustment slots are elongated enough to get targeted camber AND caster.
 

2Blue2

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extra_stout said:
Are you happy with the handling?
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Haven't really had a chance to wring it out yet.

extra_stout said:
So I think at the moment I will target for -1° camber and +3° of caster.
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I think that will be a fine place to start.

Caster +3* to +7*
Camber -1.5*
Toe 1/8 in

These are pretty standard suggestions for hot rod settings, but depends on suspension type, use, etc.
Side note;
Some old straight axles actually call for some positive camber and toe out to avoid Death Wobble,
and to have bias tires track down the crown of the road good.
 
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2Blue2

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Enzio said:
What is rubbing on the rim?
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Hey buddy, like this.

Drivers side control arm front edge.
Wheel rubbed a spot...........................................................Ground square corner to a taper and masked it up for spray paint.
Hope it is enough to solve problem.




Wheel rub marks on the 14 x 7 American Racing Outlaw II.


 
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2Blue2

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Didn't we do this once already?
Guess I didn't do both sides...

Ready for a real test drive but its raining now.
 
Last edited: Jan 18, 2021
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I cut the whole front edge, but I'm planing to run more caster than you (and I have a diffrent backspacing I guess):
 
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